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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:31 +0200 From: Måns Nilsson <mansa...@besserwisser.org> To: jamie rishaw <j...@arpa.com> Cc: goe...@anime.net, NANOG <na...@nanog.org> Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com): > <tinfoilhat> > Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired. > </tinfoilhat> I'm not even assuming it, I'm convinced. In Sweden, we have a law, that makes what NSA/FBI did illegal while at the same time legalising, after some scrutiny, the practice of tapping traffic that passes Sweden and is not both originated by and destined to Swedes. . We're pretty good at selling transit abroad. Eastward. Go figure. Combine that with our NSA buddy, the FRA (http://www.fra.se) actively attempting to hire WDM experience and there is enough circumstantial data that I'm convinced it's being done. Also, what agencies like NSA, GCHQ and FRA have done for ages is listening to a broad spectrum of RF data with their aerials. Moving it into fiber is just keeping pace with the technology. Another historical fact is that the FRA has its roots in a extremely successful wiretapping operation in WW2, where the German teleprinter traffic between Norway (occupied) and Germany was passed on leased lines through western Sweden. Cross-border wiretap. In conclusion; I'm convinced. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 I'm having an emotional outburst!! ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5 -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech