-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has defended the program, not denied it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22809541 http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/869-dni-statement-on-activities-authorized-under-section-702-of-fisa
And UK has access: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/07/uk-gathering-secret-intelligence-nsa-prism Most likely Australia, NZ, and Canada have as well, per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement Michael On 06/07/2013 10:13 AM, R. Jason Cronk wrote: > I tend to agree with this. Here are some things that look fishy > about this leak > > * The $20 million budget seems paltry. Nothing gets done in > government for that small amount. * The Powerpoint is amateurish > (then again with no budget.....) * Everybody implicated is denying > it (though I suspect they would say the same if it were true) * The > Guardian says it verified the authenticity of the presentation but > it doesn't say how, nor does it appear they have any corroborating > evidence. > > > Hopefully their will be some further investigation that will > provide additional evidence about the program's existence. > > Jason > > > > On 6/7/2013 12:23 AM, x z wrote: >> What surprised me is how Guardian and Washington Post cover this >> "story". The Power Point slides looks laughable to me. Maybe I >> should interpret "direct access to servers of firms" as like when >> I'm typing this email I am also having /a direct access/ to >> Gmail's servers. >> >> This either a ploy by some "pro-privacy" extremist or a prank by >> somebody who's tired of these hyperbole privacy outcries. >> >> >> >> 2013/6/6 Peter Eckersley <peter.eckers...@gmail.com >> <mailto:peter.eckers...@gmail.com>> >> >> Of course, I was reading to fast and leaning to heavily on >> control+f. >> >> Anyway, 20 million annually seems like a very low number by the >> usual standards of efficiency in Department of Defense programs. >> But the NSA might already have a data storage, processing and >> query architecture in place that is either not included in this >> budget or only included on a marginal cost basis. >> >> >> On 6 June 2013 16:45, Peter Eckersley <peter.eckers...@gmail.com >> <mailto:peter.eckers...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Where did you get the $20m budget number from? I can't find it >> in any of the stories or attached materials. But I could be >> missing something. >> >> >> On 6 June 2013 16:14, x z <xhzh...@gmail.com >> <mailto:xhzh...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> doesn't seem real to me. especially the part "*direct access to >> servers* of firms ...", and with an annual budget of measly >> $20m. >> >> >> 2013/6/6 Michael Carbone <mich...@accessnow.org >> <mailto:mich...@accessnow.org>> >> > Guardian: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data > > WaPo: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html > > some of the slides (haven't seen the full ppt drop): > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ > > Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo, > Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. 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