That was pretty good Brandon. The problem of welfare, but not limited to it, is complicated. Just as you said about the minimum wage at the end, would also go a long ways towards solving it as well, and regulation on us, while allowing goods and service to cross the border mostly unregulated produced from other countries, is probably the biggest problem with job creation (such regulation on use, actually acts as a negative tariff, so it is just not no tariffs as the "free" traders would have us believe, when they advocate such). I'm not sure hiring them out or making them work is the best answer, as it really only exasperates the problem, such that then jobs in the private sector suffers as a result, and as well then, those connected are usually the one who take advantage of it, and try to get their particular gig institutionalized, such as private prisons, and what has been said is the future of our society, the surveillance such. Can you imagine a host of welfare recipients setting around cameras in their homes (or some other location), and getting bonuses for every infraction, which as well would multiply even more than they already have (which is also just as much a make work or welfare work as anything else, for enforcement, just as the welfare system is of those who administer it already or most government jobs)?
Some states have already started such "work" programs too, and they are pretty much of a joke too from my understanding. All the problems we have for the most part, is one of institutionalized dependency. The solution there for is to make people independent (the vultures), but of course those who work for the system also don't want to see such happen because than that threatens their gig, and lets face it, probably one of the biggest voting blocks or largest employers already is government or its dependent businesses surrounding and attending of the beast. One of the programs that they had set up in WV long ago, was actually setting people up in business, by giving them the capital goods to get started in a biz. I thought at the time it was one of the best programs that the the state had thought of doing, but there was a few supposed problems with it, that a very lot of people would just take the capital goods and sell them off, and be back to where they were before they were giving the goods. I still think that it is a very workable idea, if properly implemented. One of the things I would do is make it by law, that such capital goods and services would have to be American made or drawn from, though certainly this is just a start on the setup, it would be one of the main "planks" I would insist on implementation. There are of course lots of other ideas that others and I have to solve the problems we face in this country by returning us to the principles of independence that was our founding of its mission, but there is of course no cohesive political will to implement such, even in already established parties for the most part, as most have dogma that are counter to implementing such policies for one reason or the other. As such, is why I propose (and have been) a new political movement that emulates or goes back to the roots of the founding of this country, and that is the independent movement. Anybody who is interested in assisting me in this endeavor and for discussing of, can join a new group on my server called just Independence. Since during the elections they call us third party people such anyways, it solves a two or more fold problem with one stone, and it makes it very hard to marginalize us since it hearkens back to our founding, and they have already stolen and destroyed any other apt word for the idea, though education of what these historic words really mean so that we can discuss what the real concepts behind these words are, should be a part of taking back our true history of independence of a free people. Hopefully there will be a lot of different people from different mind sets on the subject, so I will require some semblance of civility. Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the subject line enter: [subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], to subscribe to the independence list. Note: Do not include the braces, and it goes on the subject line, not the body of the email. Also, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not required if you want to use the addy that you are sending the subscribe from. If you have any trouble, drop me a line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will add you, or as the case may be delete you, though that can be done by doing the same thing as subscribing, by changing the word subscribe to unsubscribe. If any feel the endeavor worth sharing, then please invite others to join us. Be well, Goat Brandon wrote: > I think that there are a lot of similarities in these posts but the > way they are presented make them feel different. I think there are > several issues that need to be addressed because they have been > mentioned and are actually different subtopics. > > There are pros and cons to an increase in the minimum wage. It makes > big corporations pay their workers more so they can afford to life. I > don't see how even at $6.55 per hour will afford much here but it is > better than $5.85 and its long standing predecessor $5.15. This helps > those that are in minimum wage jobs have a little bit more. > > One thing that was mentioned is the welfare system and how these > people live better than some who bust their butts on a daily basis. I > think that is a matter of perspective. I can find a lot of people who > live better than most of us for the effort they put in. Basically, > most of us that wouldn't live on welfare, if we did as little as those > on welfare would not live as well. > > Welfare should be a temporary situation. If people are allowed to set > up permanent residence on welfare, we, as the tax payers, should be > allowed to collectively ask them to work at something. An inventory > of people on welfare should be taken with a skills match. Those that > have better skills, should perform at their accomplished level to > "earn" welfare. There are all kind of projects around the state that > can be accomplished by making welfare recipients work. Those > physically able for example, can clean up roadside litter. Those not > physically able to do this type of work should be "hired" out to > things they can do. Data entry, tying the strings on zippers for > zipper pulls, etc. There is not any reason why they cannot do their part. > > The other issue presented is that this program should be open to > Americans; natural born or naturalized citizens. Those here illegally > should not be allowed welfare, WIC, or any government assistance > except a ticket aboard a mode of transportation to their point of > origin. > > I think there is some validity to the arguments about the increase in > cost for items. When companies pay more for employees, those costs > are passed on to consumers so ultimately the price goes up causing as > much, if not more, of a deficit in the paycheck of the minimum wage > worker as well as everyone else. It is difficult for us sometimes to > afford items because of that. Our government spends a lot of money on > things it shouldn't and so those prices also include sales tax, > employee-related taxes, corporate tax, property tax, etc. By limiting > our governmental involvement in things like Iraq, Iran, Korea, etc., > we can also limit our spending. > > Also, by keeping our nose out of their affairs, they wouldn't have > such a hatred for us. We wouldn't need to worry so much about > terrorist attacks from these nations if we minded our own business. > We don't have to agree with their tactics, their government or the way > we treat their people but as long as we support them by buying their > products, sending our jobs over to these nations, etc., we > inadvertently support them. Prior to our involvement with WWII, we > were somewhat of isolationists. While that may not be fully possible > in our new global economy, we can start to work towards that again by > decreasing our efforts in other nations and focusing on our current > domestic problems. Until we get big government out of the way, get > stockholders to realize that there are more important things than the > almighty dollar, and grow up, we will have these struggles. Once we > can move on to "big boy pants", we can start to prosper more as a > nation and minimum wage won't be such an issue. >
