> I don't think I said we don't use bombs.  Lots of good engineering uses 
> for explosives.  I said we don't use them against human beings, because 
> they're sloppy and kill uninvolved bystanders.

Again you assume someone who can PARSE that, or juudge what the effect of 
being a dumbass with explosives is liable to be.

Or do you assume everyone will become smart when we become libertarian?

Or only smart people will move to Libertopia?

I have news for you - there is no guarantee that their children will be as 
smart as they are.

> I am no more a Libertopian than anybody else here.  Humanity is not 
> perfect or perfectible.  Just let us do our best without interference from 
> God or Government.
>
> Ward Griffiths        wdg...@comcast.net

I am using Libertopia as a tongue-in-cheek reference to a land where things 
run by Libertarian, free market principles. try to keepp up, please.  At no 
time did I use the term "Libertopian" or use it to mean someone who dreams 
of living in a libertarian society,

Ward - respond to what I am actually TYPING please.

Your point about humanity being imperfect is already assumed

Angel-topia does not NEED any social mechanisms for conflict resolution - 
they don't have any conflicts!

Libertopia has Social Mechanisms for resolving conflicts - because Human 
beings live there - and that means conflicts will arise.

What I started out with was a case where there seems to be a conflict but it 
is not clear  -

Like I said - I think we have to draw a line that leaves intent and other 
intangible things out but encloses objectively measurable effects. 
Otherwise, we're trying to decide how to detect, meaaure and resolve 
someone's intent as a conflict with someone else's rights.

The street vendors were under no obligation to allow the NY times Bomber to 
blow them up to prove his intent - but once we're seperated in time and 
space from the actual events I think our ability to percieve and meaure 
intent declines.

This is why individuals retain their right to self defense - they alone are 
on site and in the moment - they alone have the perception and the need to 
make a judgement based on what they see.

Jay ~Meow!~

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