> The first observation is that there continues to be contention between
> tendencies which are frequently allied and viewed together in much of the
> world as "conservative": on one hand those favoring libertarian resolution
> of property questions, and on the other a "pro-business" faction which
> usually means favors to particular businesses and an attitude one might
> call corporatist, dirigiste, or fascist.

I have been using "Mercantilist".

> Roger Pilon from the Cato Inst. and Norman Siegel from the NYCLU, who were
> presented as strange bedfellows from "right" and "left"

Ugh!  I hate the right and left game!

> The second observation is that this was an example of what Chuck Muth in
> the recent column posted on LIBNW meant, I think, of how it can pay for
> libertarians to be seen as part of the "conservative" tendency, or of a
> coalition of the "right".



(This categoriz'n was the general view of
> analysts during the 20th Century, even though some "conservatives" and 
> most
> self-identified libertarians didn't like being seen that way.)

Yo, Like me.

 Considering the current ascendancy of
> the Republican "right" in the USA, it would seem foolish for libertarians
> to run away from this position of influence, and to leave the "right" and
> the GOP to the corporatists.


You you're saying that it's possible to influence fascists and mercantilists 
away from  being power mad dickheads, if only we agree to be part of their 
"Team"

Nobody gets it for nothing.  What is the price we as Libertarians would have 
to pay for this?

I joined the LP specifically because the game of "Right and Left" disgusts 
me and does not represent anything I want to be a part of.

Socialists or fascists, pick one!

NO!!

I want to be something materially else.

Playing the "Right and Left Game" just justifies it.  It essentially 
surrenders the point that politics is invariably corrupt and abusive, and 
all anyone can hope to do is get a little influence to either profit from or 
to (Very slightly) mitigate the damage from.

It's playing the big game like a sucker.  It playing the big game to loose. 
What's the point?  Might just as well opt out.

besides was the event in Connecticut the exception or the rule?  For every 
imminent Domain case that was defeated how many more were there where 
someone's property was *stolen* under color of law, and donated to heavy 
political donators in corporate colors?

"Well, we have to be realistic."

Maybe you think it's realism.  I call it making excuses for the status quo 
and gutless.

If you think politics can change something at this late date, more power to 
you.  But for God's sake, grow a pair about it. Really do something, instead 
of making excuses for team red!

"Maybe if we cringe and whine to the fascists they'll like us and then we 
can help defeat the socialists!"

It's a crock!

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