Emily, Pardon my poor threading. I'm on mobile.
The language sources policy is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NONENG Jake On Wed, Dec 8, 2021, 1:47 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Libraries mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/libraries.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Libraries digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Question: using Russian sources on English Wikipedia (Jack, Emily) > 2. Re: Question: using Russian sources on English Wikipedia > (Riehman-Murphy, Christina) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 21:44:09 +0000 > From: "Jack, Emily" <[email protected]> > Subject: [libraries] Question: using Russian sources on English > Wikipedia > To: Wikimedia & Libraries <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="_000_F84F6FEB1D0C431880B1909CA2DC4D38aduncedu_" > > Hi all, > > This isn’t strictly a libraries question, but I’m sending to this group > because I appreciate the brain trust here. If there’s somewhere more > appropriate to post this question, please let me know. > > A chemistry librarian I know sent this question: > > “I am trying to help a professor who has written a biography of a fellow > chemist whose original work was in Russian, starting in the 50’s. My profs > article has been rejected as not being supported by reliable sources. The > journals are reliable sources but they just aren’t in English, apparently a > major sticking point. Some may not be available electronically either. > Obviously we are looking at the articles and do have access to most in > translation and most electronic. Reality remains, as we all know, that some > are just not going to be translated nor available easily online. Is this > the norm for Wikipedia? One journal they considered non-reliable was > Doklady Akademii Nauk SSSR. Not exactly an unknown, unreliable source. We > can deal with this one but has left me wondering about the rules, who > decides what is reliable, etc. Would appreciate any insight and guidance I > can get.” > > Anyone have insights? I would be grateful! > > Emily > she/her > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 7478 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 21:46:50 +0000 > From: "Riehman-Murphy, Christina" <[email protected]> > Subject: [libraries] Re: Question: using Russian sources on English > Wikipedia > To: Wikimedia & Libraries <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected] > prd02.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_MN2PR02MB6000DF > 8256B248DF4211B30BA06F9MN2PR02MB6000namp_" > > Hi Emily, > > This question came my way via a colleague at Penn State who saw it on the > same listserv. Here were my suggestions but I'd love to hear what others > think as well. > > Christina Riehman-Murphy > Reference & Instruction Librarian > Penn State Abington > > > Off the top of my head, here are a few options to pass along: > > Wikipedia has some built-in mechanisms for resolving and discussing > disputes. The Talk page<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages> > is the page for an article where editors can discuss their reasons for > including something, answer sourcing questions, etc. There are also > guidelines for resolving disputes< > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution>. In this > case, it sounds like the article has been rejected outright over reliable > source guidelines<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources>, > which are particularly stringent for biographies of living persons (not > clear if the fellow chemist is living). > > > I would suggest that the author review all of those guidelines, and see > what can be done to address the concerns< > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Draft_decline_or_reject_help> > and reach out to the Help Desk< > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk> and a TeaHouse< > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse> to get some feedback. > I do not know if the author speaks Russian, but that is also an option - > translating the Wikipedia article into Russian and submitting it to Russian > Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Wikipedia>. > > I know this situation can be very frustrating and certainly Wikipedia does > have its problems, but it's worth chatting through these forums to see if > there's a way to move forward. > ________________________________ > From: Jack, Emily <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:44 PM > To: Wikimedia & Libraries <[email protected]> > Subject: [libraries] Question: using Russian sources on English Wikipedia > > > Hi all, > > > > This isn’t strictly a libraries question, but I’m sending to this group > because I appreciate the brain trust here. If there’s somewhere more > appropriate to post this question, please let me know. > > > > A chemistry librarian I know sent this question: > > > > “I am trying to help a professor who has written a biography of a fellow > chemist whose original work was in Russian, starting in the 50’s. My profs > article has been rejected as not being supported by reliable sources. The > journals are reliable sources but they just aren’t in English, apparently a > major sticking point. Some may not be available electronically either. > Obviously we are looking at the articles and do have access to most in > translation and most electronic. Reality remains, as we all know, that some > are just not going to be translated nor available easily online. Is this > the norm for Wikipedia? One journal they considered non-reliable was > Doklady Akademii Nauk SSSR. Not exactly an unknown, unreliable source. We > can deal with this one but has left me wondering about the rules, who > decides what is reliable, etc. Would appreciate any insight and guidance I > can get.” > > > > Anyone have insights? I would be grateful! > > > > Emily > > she/her > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 8255 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Libraries mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Libraries Digest, Vol 114, Issue 3 > ***************************************** >
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