https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148218
--- Comment #14 from Julien Nabet <[email protected]> --- (In reply to robert from comment #13) > (In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #12) > > (In reply to robert from comment #11) > > > (In reply to Buovjaga from comment #7) > > > > Looking at htop on Linux, 25.8 takes 13.7G virtual memory after opening > > > > the > > > > .rtf while a build with Noel's commit takes only 2.9G. I am using zram. > > > > > > Only 2.9Gb? When M$ word uses 26Mb? Are you kidding? > > I agree with you, it's not sufficient but 2.9 compared to 13.7 is far > > better. > > Don't forget that RTF is a format from Microsoft which is a very big > > company. > > Implementing it is not so easy (take a look at > > https://officeprotocoldoc.z19.web.core.windows.net/files/Archive_References/ > > %5BMSFT-RTF%5D.pdf). > > And how big is the spec of ODx? yes but odf is the main format of LO so it's quite expected devs try to implement it well. ODF doesn't depend on Microsoft to evolve so it's better spending time supporting ODF than RTF. > > > > May I suggest that de developers of LO read (again) this: > > > http://www.ncdm.com/bloat/bloat.htm and especially the final conclusion: > > > > > > Bloat is not a technical issue, but verily a way of thinking, a "state of > > > mind". Its cure is a simple refusal to accept, and a well directed, > > > resounding "clean up your act and clean up your code!" > > > > If you know how to code, you can give some help, after all it's open source, > > if not avoid this kind of remark. > > I comment my code, 'nuff said. > > And I don't do any flavour-of-the-hour programming languages, I like safe(r) > programming languages, like Pascal, PL/I, REXX and assembler. LO is mainly (about 95%) done in C++, it's not what I call a flavour-of-the-hour language like Rust (which has already have a great reputation for safety). Assembly is near machine level so not safer at all, rather faster. The few things I read about REXX and PL/I show they're quite a niche and not very interesting for a big project with graphical interfaces. As for Pascal, I don't know enough about it, I just know people use it to teach algorithms. > > > > > > > And no I won't test it, as the developers of LO have zapped support for > > > W7 - > > > maybe they can explain why a simple office program needs all the new bloat > > > of M$' advertising platforms pretending to be OS'es, when a program like > > > Irfanview still runs happily on XP, despite the appearance of numerous new > > > image formats, and IBM's z/OS can still run programs written in the > > > 1970ies > > > and 1980ies that have never been recompiled. (But that will still compile, > > > once the source has been found again) > > First release of Win7 has been in 2009 and last updates from Ms are from > > 2020 (ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7), why should we keep on > > maintaining Win7 compatibility? > > > > Then you really compare a certainly great but small software like Irfanview > > which runs only on Windows and has far less features than an Office suite > > which runs on Linux, macOS and Windows? > > Why can VLC still support XP SP3? VLC is about reading/streaming/convert and also put some filters on videos. There are of course a lot of formats and it's quite a work but the "range" of features is smaller than an Office suite. > > From their website: > > "... The major maintenance effort of this release to strengthen VLC's > overall stability as well as ***the compatibility with old releases of > Windows and macOS was made possible by a generous sponsorship of the > Sovereign Tech Fund (https://www.sovereign.tech/) by Germany's Federal > Ministry for Digital Transformation and Government Modernisation.*** ..." > > Why didn't LO ask for this, with the German public services on of the larger > users of it? Why rip out the old code, making it impossible for others to > maintain a version of older OS'es? Perhaps TDF already did it and had no response or a negative one. > > > You're talking about z/OS which is closed OS and on closed hardware > > supported by one of the biggest company in computing > > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z/OS) so completely irrelevant > > > > Did you noticed that Noel kept on providing some patches after Buovjaga's > > comment? Did you at least read the commits descriptions and the > > optimizations done? > > The commits don't make any programmatical sense for people who have now > knowledge of the internals of LO. but fortunately since you know some safer languages, I'm quite sure you know that "Shaves 17% of the temporary allocations" in a comment is a nice improvement. > > > Again, if you know how to code, you're welcome to provide some help. > > I can code, but I have never had any interest in C, C++, the abomination > that is Python, or Java. I like the readability of Pascal, PL/I and even > assembler, where I know exactly how every instruction affects the data I'm > processing. > I don't know about C++ but there are YT videos which show that with C, some people can "visualize" assembly generated (eg : Linus Torvalds). Readibility depends on the language AND on the person who writes the code. Of course it also depends on your knowledge of the language. > > If you've got some money, you can donate to TDF or companies working on LO. > > My Dutch and Brexitanian pensions add up to about eur 600 per month, and now > that LO has abandoned W7, I'd rather spend it on more useful things, like > taking the grandchildren out. Nothing to say here, taking care of one's children or grandchildren is great (I mean it, there's no irony or something like that). > > > If you have some time, you can contribute to translate or test LO. > > I cannot, I use W7, and next to that, I'm one 90% of the people who only > uses 10% of its features. You can still test the 10% you know. You seem to like about safer languages but you use a version of an OS for which there are no more security fixes, weird... > > > If you don't want/can't to do any of these, just don't complain and stop the > > despising. In brief, you know how to program, even in some hard languages like assembly but don't want to try to review so C++ code, you don't want to donate (ok with this, I don't donate too), you don't want to contribute but still complain and despise dev's work. I suppose you know you can just get Microsoft Office, OnlyOffice, WPSOffice or whatever, nobody forces you to stick to LO. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
