https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139057
Telesto <tele...@surfxs.nl> changed:
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--- Comment #16 from Telesto <tele...@surfxs.nl> ---
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #14)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #11)
>
> In short and in general: Problems in comment 11 seem to stem from
> difficulties in knowing how to select an anchor (see bug 146445 for relevant
> explanations),
Three parts
* It's partly about visibility. It nice to now if a selection does include an
anchor (and which images shapes/and such entails; images get highlighted;
shapes not
* If a text selection automatically include the anchor (to character) directly
to the left and/or right of the selection.
* The intuitivity/ predictability of the behaviour. Select a single text
paragraph does *not* include images anchored at the start/end of the paragraph,
but multiple paragraphs does. If the paragraph being a bulleted list it does
include images too. I still don't grasp the reasoning why a single paragraph
should behave differently.
>which is related to/interacts with difficulty in knowing how
> to interpret the current anchor icon properly to determine the anchor
> location.
Yes
>Bug 138351 discusses the issue of improving the display of anchor
> location -- but even if that is improved, it is necessary to know how to
> insure that the anchor is included in the selection.
Yes
>
> Possible "responses":
> - make it easier for a user to know when an anchor is included in a text
> selection (but no proposals offered for design changes.)
Yes. One would be making anchor visible as formatting mark regardless of the
selection (so being aware of the anchor being present)
However this still partial fix. There can be overlapping anchors (multiple at
the same spot. And you still don't know which anchor belongs to which
shape/image.
And you might want distinction between the anchor icon for 'to paragraph' and
'to character' anchors.
> - give better documentation about how to insure selection of an anchor (but
> less effective for those users who expect the interface to be "intuitive",
> and therefore will not read documentation).
Yes
>
> About selecting the anchor:
>
> Here are three examples that will illustrate how to "succeed" in places
> where you have "failed". Perhaps these positive examples (along with the
> explanations in bug 146445) will help you to form an understanding of what
> is needed to insure that an anchor is selected.
>
> > 3. Move the text up. Yellow and orange shape not moving
> Do NOT repro with cursor placed in paragraph and Ctrl+Alt+Up arrow. All
> shapes move.
> Do repro with Ctrl+X on selection and Ctrl+V.
>
> > 8. Double click 'Blue'
> > 9. Drag & drop below heading 1.. image not following
> > 11. Place cursor after 'yellow' and select blue with the space before
> > 12. Drag up below heading 1. -> Only "blue' text moves image stays
> 8 and 11 show examples where you have failed to select the anchor.
>
> Additional tests to show how to drag blue shape up, by including the anchor
> in the selection.
>
> 13. Open attachment 180813 [details], place cursor before "b" in blue, then
> select two characters to left (i.e., space and "w" at end of yellow). Drag
> selection to Heading 1, see "blue" shape follow.
Noticed that, but well obviously a strange selection.. but well
>
> 14. Open attachment 180813 [details], select blue shape, move anchor to
> middle of word "blue". Double-click "blue", drag to Heading 1, see "blue"
> shape follow.
Yes, true. If you move an image/shape to different paragraph (drag and drop)
the anchor will by design move the next paragraph & snap behind (so anchor at
the right) of a word (if it's a non-empty paragraph). How snap to character in
paragraph exactly works is still black box to me. It does pick some character
in the paragraph. I have tendency to say, if an image is moved by drag and drop
to different paragraph, mimic the behaviour of to paragraph, and simply but at
the start of the paragraph. So skipping the - to me arbitrary - picking of some
character.. [but well I'm adding lots of different topics in a single bug
report]
I'm currently using this bug as a 'discussion topic'. To figure out if there is
a bug (or bugs) and which part being documentation or UI feedback issues.
Referenced Bugs:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112182
[Bug 112182] [META] Text and object selection issues
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