Present: Sahil, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Regina, Samuel Tickets/Topics
* Make the new Macro Manager dialog non-experimental and enable it by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168623 + remaining issues probably not fixed (Samuel) + dependent to bug 120658, which is not yet resolved (Eyal) + some concerns (in bug 120658) (Regina) + no harm to make it non-experimental (Sahil) + do not make it the default as long features are missing (Heiko) => go for it * Sort dialog Options tab contents is confusing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168687 + many issues packed in one ticket; agree with questionable labels (Telesto) + "Natural Sort" has been redesigned lately + "Include formats" could be "Preserve Formatting" (Sahil) + "preserving" - users will always want to "preserve" rather than "disrupt" or "mess up"; each user would think the behavior they want is the "preserving"; need to better express the two legitimate interests (Eyal) + Preserve is the opposite of Include (Heiko) + "Copy results" are clear to me, at least with the tooltips (Heiko) + "[ ] Place sort results at:" (Eyal) + "[ ] Destination range/cells:" (Sahil) + Boundary rows/columns require to read the documentation (and might be not working as expected) (Heiko) => further bike-shedding on BZ * Make Notebookbar Paragraph Style preview iconviews larger, and perform dynamic preview of document + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168657 + PS are structural attributes and should not be picked by their visuals; IOW heading 1 is used for a certain part of text ergo: drop this whole control in favor of the dropdown (Heiko) + true but users expect it as known from MSO (Eyal) + to get more space we may drop the unformatted style names (Eyal) + MSO adjusts the number of items depending on available size, up to a dropdown for very small windows, and expands the content to a resizable icon view - we should do the same (Eyal) + for now it sounds reasonable to expand the UI element to the available space (Eyal, Heiko) => do it * Replace trichotomic language config with list of proofing languages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168624 + Char dialog bug 104318 + mockup on the ticket (Heiko) + it essentially removes the trichometry and all options are available for everyone + the mockup assumes the trichotomy is gone, rather than actually removing it - it's useful to discuss it as an option for a post-trichotomy LibreOffice, but not for current-state LibreOffice (Eyal) + While LibreOffice has the meaningful options of enabling/disabling RTL-CTL and CJK support, this choice is critical to users and we should not entertain the possibility of (effectively) hiding it (Eyal) + The two options control aspects of the UI at the character, paragraph and page level, particularly in the style/formatting dialogs, and also the visibility/usability of the direction toolbar buttons (Eyal) + The options will also likely control even more changes to the UI when the support for "Start" and "End" alignments is introduced: With RTL-CTL support unchecked, we don't need to tell the user about the distinction between "align left" and "align start" - but with the option checked, we need to alter the UI somewhat to express that (Eyal) + mockups are meant to foster the development, to support thinking about far-fetched goal, identify bottlenecks in the workflow, etc. - all for the average user; usability comes before coding not when everything is done as interface set on top of some perfect code (Heiko) + Agreed, apologies for focusing only on the applicability of the mockup _right now_, am willing to discuss it in the context of a "post-trichotomy" future where my points of opposition would not hold (Eyal) => comment
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