On 04/22/2011 04:02 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Tor Lillqvist schrieb: > > Ed Drinkwater wrote: >>> What is that supposed to mean? It certainly doesn't sound like a >>> coherent, constructive contribution to the issue! >> >> That is because I am basically an incoherent dribbling idiot, la la la, na >> na splutgh xzbbpfft! Me wants more porridge! > > Sometimes it's much better to hit the "delete" button instead of "send". > > Parallel installation of daily builds has been discussed a few days ago > (I don't remember the list), where one of the core developers (Björn?) > described that this is not trivial, but an important issue for LibreOffice. > > Betas are much more important for our public recognition - but this > might not be seen by some developers. > > This list is not dedicated for discussions on missing features: > > If there is need for a discussion, the topic should be raised on the > marketing list (I don't think that this is necessary here). > > If the task is already clear, just go on to bugzilla. > > Ed: Would you please search for a bug report covering this topic - and > if there is none, create one? > > I hope a developer could look into the problem to determine, if this > topic would be able to serve as "easy hack", so it might be picked by a > volunteer. > > And we need to add a warning to our homepage, that standard installation > will erase the working productive version of LibreOffice (probably > leading to less feedback than we hoped for). > > I'll send a mail to our website list... > > Best regards > > Bernhard >
Interesting thread. Just wanted to point out that both LO 3.4B1 & LO3.4B2 .deb installs failed on my systems (miserably & yes, I'll go bug adding this weekend if I've time). I had to purge both B1 *and* B2 and went back to LO 3.3.2 because the 3.4B versions wouldn't install on any of my systems.[1] However I just installed OOo 3.4 Beta 1: http://download.openoffice.org/index.html OOo-Dev 3.4 Beta 1 installed w/o issue *and* installed in /opt/ooo-dev3 so as to not disturb my existing OOo installs (I've several)[2] *and* created the user profile in ~/.ooo-dev - again, so that my OOo profiles aren't disturbed. Point being is that IMO Ed is correct; if you wish folks to test beta/rc versions, then set the build to leave existing installations alone. Yes, I *know* that I can use 'parallel' install procedures to sandbox the install for testing, but why should/would that be required when LO are looking for testers (users) to test for install, usability, comparison to existing versions, etc? I find the response to Ed's post/comments/request on this list to be 'disturbing'. Perhaps his initial post should have been in the form of an RFE bug report, posted on another list, worded better, whatever. However, I think the post was well intendended & is from a 'user' that is at least taking the time to actually download and attempt to test pre-releases. (I'm actually surprised that he managed to get his deb packages to install[3]. Users are indeed a large contribution to LO; we test (in multiple environments), we file bug reports, we try to assist in helping others on the user list, we pass the word along to other prospective users, etc. When posts from users like Ed wander into the dev list, responses like those of Tor Lillqvist are, IMO, unacceptable & very likely to turn user/testers away from further testing. Ya'll have a good weekend... and here's hoping that the B3 builds will work on my linux systems - I'll be sure to use parallel install procedures on the next one so that it doesn't screw up my reinstalled LO 3.3.2. $ cat /opt/libreoffice/program/versionrc [Version] AllLanguages=en-US buildid=330m19(Build:202) ExtensionUpdateURL=http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update OOOBaseVersion=3.3 ProductBuildid=202 ProductMajor=330 ProductMinor=19 ProductSource=OOO330 UpdateID=LibreOffice_3_en-US UpdateURL= UpdateUserAgent=<PRODUCT> (${buildid}; ${_OS}; ${_ARCH}; BundledLanguages=${AllLanguages}) Gary (NoOp) [1] I'm not a developer, but I consider my self to be an above-average user/tester with exeperience in installing, bug reporting et al on OOo and more recently LO. I can/do install test versions on everything from linux to Win (2K, XP, and Wn7) in both standard native partitions & Virtual Machines. I think that Cor Nouows will attest to that. [2] $ locate versionrc/opt/libreoffice/basis3.3/program/versionrc /opt/libreoffice/program/versionrc /opt/libreoffice/ure/bin/versionrc /opt/ooo-dev/basis3.2/program/versionrc /opt/ooo-dev/basis3.3/program/versionrc /opt/ooo-dev/basis3.4/program/versionrc /opt/ooo-dev/ure/bin/versionrc /opt/ooo-dev3/program/versionrc /opt/openoffice.org/basis3.2/program/versionrc /opt/openoffice.org/basis3.3/program/versionrc /opt/openoffice.org/ure/bin/versionrc /opt/openoffice.org3/program/versionrc /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.2/program/versionrc /usr/lib/openoffice/program/versionrc /usr/lib/ure/bin/versionrc [3] Samples from my attempts are on the users list with the subject: "LO 3.4B2 - here we go again..." _______________________________________________ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice