* Present:
+ Norbert, Eike, David, Stephan, Michael, Bjoern, Andras,
Petr, Caolan, Thorsten, Cedric, Fridrich, Tor, Christian
* Completed Action Items
+ rotate top #10 easy-hacks on front-page (Bjoern)
+ poke UI / Translation issue bug#42388 (Andras)
+ a normal l10n bug...
+ think about Linux build / up-load work (Caolan)
+ RedHat to handle it
AA: + send ssh keys for access to Fridrich (Caolan)
+ update wiki to mark 3.3.5 as skipped (Petr)
+ proposal for closer in 3.4.5 release (Petr)
+ connect to Fridrich's machine & fix Win32 build failure (Michael,
Bjoern)
+ finally it builds !
* Pending Action Items
+ default to TM safe (non-TDF) branding (Thorsten)
+ enable on-line updates for QA in cross-compiled dailies [in progress]
(Kendy)
+ come up with a list of QA heros for next meeting [in progress]
(Rainer)
+ ask wrt. hacking php to improve easy-hacks presentation (Bjoern)
+ extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy)
+ ask Christian wrt. Mac / PPC (Fridrich)
+ add unexpected mingw regressions to MingW 'most-annoying' (Rainer)
* Meeting time:
+ please update the doodle poll:
http://www.doodle.com/d7cxxvfhergqhhqg
* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ Proposal for a one-off 3.4.5 release
+ due-to extended 3.5 dev cycle
+
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/3.5#3.5.0_release
+ have a Beta0 - 1 week earlier than feature-freeze (just for
Cor ;-)
+ skip Beta 2 - for 3.4.5 RC1
+ skip Beta 4 - for 3.4.5 RC2/release
+ does it affect a 3.5.6 release.
+ Dec 5th feature freeze details (Petr/Michael)
+ branch immediately on feature-freeze (Petr, Caolan)
+ new onegit makes this much easier
+ should we wait for green tinderboxen ? -
prolly not, stabilise on branches
+ double code review not required until nearer RC1
=> bug fix committer should cherry-pick themselves
+ tripple cross-company code review for features until nearer
RC1
+ exceptions: artwork, unit-tests until RC1
+ tinderboxes: will attack the libreoffice-3-5 branch primarily
* QA update (Rainer)
+ we missed Rainer
* FOSDEM / conference pieces
+ please submit your LibreOffice dev-room talks to:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2012
+ block out your 4-5 Feb
* debug-levels / modes clarity (Bjoern/Stephan)
+ writer debugging, DBG_UTIL symbols all gone to OSL_DEBUG_LEVEL > 2
+ other things depend on this, so can't build in a product
version (?)
+ missing common understanding of how to use:
+ NDEBUG, DBG_UTIL, OSL_DEBUG_LEVELs etc.
+ when are they binary compatible / incompatible etc.
+ Stephan's master plan
+ assertions should abort (one day)
+ all these issues are related.
+ prefer to move it to the mailing list
+ gather use-cases there ...
+ iterative way to get there required (Thorsten)
+ need to document what is there now (Bjoern)
AA: + produce a fleshed out concrete proposal for the public list (Stephan)
+ assertion failures ?
+ should they be enabled in product build ?
+ if ability to recover - why assert ?
+ tracing - printing progress as we go along
+ need to capture semantics of tracing, warning, errors etc.
+ assert == logically impossible, or shouldn't happen ...
+ bin compat should be orthogonal to asserts/tracing (Norbert)
+ corrupt input currently being flagged by 'asserts'
+ problem - old asserts, did not abort => we got lots of them.
+ DBG_UTIL doesn't work on windows - runtime problems (Tor)
AA: + add easy hack to kill PRODUCT in favour of DBG_UTIL (Bjoern)
+ ideally, done as a patch
+ needs windows experimentation etc.
+ where does 'assert' output on windows go ?
+ what about the 'debugwindow' (ctrl-alt-shift-d)
+ should we dump it ... yes.
* Make binfilter depend on tail_build
+ not a big issue, will happen as/when needed or someone wants that.
+ other modules prevent that currently; cf. 'extensions'
AA: + reply to Peter's RFC (Norbert)
* UNO API tagging - compile time flags in .hdl ?
+ difficulty between uses & impls.
+ source code, or object level ?
+ unclear how we can do better guesses ...
+ in-house extensions etc.
+ theoretically impossible to derive all uses
via. reflection etc.
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