bill-auger <bill-auger@peers.community> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 15:11:34 +0300 Dmitry wrote: >> So there are two options: > > i will suggest a third option, as i did on the new trisquel > "General Free Software Talk" web forum which is actually backed by the > 'freedom-misc' mailing list, and apparently serves very much the same > purpose as this list, both practically and semantically, but apparently > gets far more use than this list - i suggest that is not because > trisquel users do not care to interact with the greater free software > community, but could be simply because it is a web forum and many > people prefer that these days > > so a very reasonable third option that would unite the community general > discussions, would be to upgrade this list to mailman3 which has web > integration > > https://trisquel.info/en/forum/connect-web-forum-list-libreplanet-instead > https://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/freedom-misc
Well. I meant only options that address the issue directly and are quickly doable — like switching off an offending toggle, not something that might take a good year. :-) However, that indeed looks like a great idea: both to upgrade in general, and to start from @libreplanet.org prior to (sooner or later) approach much higher-volume @gnu.org lists. Let me share some concerns, though. One is Mailman itself. I am not quite sure, that its web interface is implemented in a sane way. At least, its NNTP gateway is not. Namely, it has an obnoxious habit of _rewriting all message ID’s_, for no particular reason I can imagine. Check the hell that is going on, say, at mozilla-support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org, as it presented by: — Mailman NNTP: nntp://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.firefox — Gmane: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.firefox.user Mailman is broken, Gmane is not (in a sense that it does not rewrite any ID’s, all is as if you’re subscribed by yourself; as of now that group is also stalled, but that is not the point). Yet both halves of subscribers: a one that is uses Mailman gateway either directly or indirectly (groups from there are propagated all over the old federated Usenet) and another that is not — both are affected by annoyances: depending on how your UA is aggressive on threading, you will either see randomly broken threads or numerous allegedly lost messages. Another possible negative consequence of a future upgrading I am afraid of, is that listmasters will either forget or decide that is no longer feasible to publish its full and uncrippled archives <ftp://lists.gnu.org>. > and entice trisquel to close it's "General Free Software > Talk" forum and ask users of that forum to use the web interface of this > list instead, or vice-versa Their list’s web-interface looks nice on a first glance (yet it hardly more usable than the proper mail interface, of course). How is it implemented? It does not seem to be an aforementioned Mailman 3. I am confused, as there is no usual link to sources in footer, neither anything related on <https://devel.trisquel.info>, as far as I see. Don’t you know? > or otherwise use the same back-end mail > store for both lists If the task is merging userbase of two existing lists (and not centralising everything on FSF infrastructure ;-), is not it easily solved by subscribing both one for another, I wonder?
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