Le 26 mars 2021 00:07:49 GMT+01:00, "Jan Kubát" <ja.jan.ku...@gmail.com> a écrit : >>> Re: RMS is back on board > >Hi, >I recall there has been some reason to avoid Github, but discussing >the support of RMS being back on board, I thought of sharing a link > >https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ > >in case you are not aware of it yet. I consider mailing FSF a better >option, yet I was happy to see some activity in favour of RMS and FSF >after spending a rahter unproducitve evening trying to get some input >to remind me what the negative reaction from EFF and some individuals >on Twitter was all about. I guess > >https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-governance > >might be a reaction to that fuss possibly, but I consider transparency >a good thing, generally speaking. I hope they are not going to mess >that up. > >Happy hacking ;) > >Jan > > >On 3/25/21, libreplanet-discuss-requ...@libreplanet.org ><libreplanet-discuss-requ...@libreplanet.org> wrote: >> Send libreplanet-discuss mailing list submissions to >> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> libreplanet-discuss-requ...@libreplanet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> libreplanet-discuss-ow...@libreplanet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of libreplanet-discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet >> workshop planned. (Tobias Platen) >> 2. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati) >> 3. Re: RMS is back on board (Adrienne G. Thompson) >> 4. Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is back >> on board) (Adonay Felipe Nogueira) >> 5. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:14:56 +0100 >> From: Tobias Platen <tpla...@posteo.de> >> To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> Subject: Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet >> workshop planned. >> Message-ID: <20210325181456.0e5dc9a09e5c9da76d3c9...@posteo.de> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:44:47 +0100 >> Robert <rob...@itcave.de> wrote: >> >>> would there still be a place available? >> yes, 8 places available >> >> -- >> Tobias Platen <tpla...@posteo.de> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:01:27 +0000 >> From: Ali Reza Hayati <hay...@riseup.net> >> To: Dennis Payne <du...@identicalsoftware.com>, >> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board >> Message-ID: <ba4fe65c-5e8b-47d0-ae98-10f886d82...@riseup.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> As I said, there's no "proof". A story, even if the whole world tells it, >> doesn't matter unless there's proof. >> >> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne <du...@identicalsoftware.com> >> wrote: >>>On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 21:44 +0430, Ali Reza Hayati wrote: >>>> I wrote this blog post: >>>> https://alirezahayati.com/2021/03/25/fight-against-idiocy-support-rms/ >>>> >>>> Please send your support of RMS to i...@fsf.org. This would be much >>>> appreciated. >>> >>>I don't think RMS should be "cancelled". If FSF want him on the board >>>that's fine with me. However, you include: >>> >>>"Some also accuse Stallman of sexual harassment and “assault” which >>>there’s no proof of and as a person who knows him, I can tell very far >>>from truth." >>> >>>There are enough stories that I find it implausible that there haven't >>>been bad encounters in the past between Stallman and others. Maybe he >>>didn't realize he treated someone badly. Maybe he has since learned and >>>treats people better. I don't know. I remember an actor commenting on a >>>late show that there wouldn't be a "me too" moment highlighting his bad >>>behavior but acknowledged in the past he might have been dismissive to >>>a woman in a meeting or something. We are all human and anyone can make >>>a mistake. >>> >>>Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of >>>games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as long as >>>it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic vision >>>of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new feature to >>>the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required to redo >>>all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so as to >>>not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something as >>>simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may require >>>altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content effectively >>>makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com) >> Libre culture activist and privacy advocate >> PGP: B7DC C419 C0ED 05D5 6535 1BD3 2A7F A925 75A3 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: signature.asc >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 854 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> <https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20210325/68e69c7b/attachment.sig> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:41:23 -0500 >> From: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <adriennegayethomp...@gmail.com> >> To: Ali Reza Hayati <hay...@riseup.net> >> Cc: libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> >> Subject: Re: RMS is back on board >> Message-ID: >> <cacvte5hjtyez7epcccd1rorccnjsknxnfasrgc5sfw7j3ub...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Ali: >> >> Please send your support of RMS to i...@fsf.org. This would be much >>> appreciated. >> >> >> I was in the process of drafting an email to i...@fsf.org when I received >> your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others to >> email messages of support too - asap! >> >> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account of >> canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support from his >> allies on the Board. Let's address that too. >> >> Adrienne >> -- >> Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN! >> >> GNU C-Graph - http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph >> Code Art Now - http://codeartnow.com >> Abertheid Campaign - http://www.abertheid.info >> Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph >> Let's Link Up: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/ >> -------------- next part -------------- >> Ali: >> >> Please send your support of RMS to [1]i...@fsf.org. This would be >> much >> appreciated. >> >> I was in the process of drafting an email to [2]i...@fsf.org when I >> received your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage >> others to email messages of support too - asap! >> Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account >> of canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support >> from his allies on the Board. Let's address that too. >> Adrienne >> -- >> Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN! >> GNU C-Graph - [3]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph >> Code Art Now - [4]http://codeartnow.com >> Abertheid Campaign - [5]http://www.abertheid.info >> Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph >> Let's Link Up: [6]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/ >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:i...@fsf.org >> 2. mailto:i...@fsf.org >> 3. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph >> 4. http://codeartnow.com/ >> 5. http://www.abertheid.info/ >> 6. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:09:01 -0300 >> From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adf...@hyperbola.info> >> To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> Subject: Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is back >> on board) >> Message-ID: <3df709ec-48a1-5010-c6a6-aba318065...@hyperbola.info> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Em 25/03/2021 18:01, Ali Reza Hayati escreveu: >>> … >> >> Ali, I'm not replying to you, but to Dennis Payne. Their message is the only >> instance in which their statements appear. >> >>> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne >>> <du...@identicalsoftware.com> wrote: >>>> Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of >>>> games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as long as >>>> it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic vision >>>> of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new feature to >>>> the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required to redo >>>> all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so as to >>>> not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something as >>>> simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may require >>>> altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content effectively >>>> makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made. >> >> For packages that want to be included in free/libre system distributions, >> according to the GNU FSDG, which is the guidelines used to review if a >> package can be included, or if a distro can be considered free/libre, the >> section on non-practical/non-functional works/data[1] states that at least >> freedom 2 in full must be granted (that is, the freedom to share and sell >> unlimited copies of the original work). >> >> Interestingly, the Free Software Directory's requirements page[2] >> acknowledges that RMS also recognized that some subjectivity is needed, so >> they do leave margin for analysis of what can be considered a >> non-functional/non-practical data/work, since an audio file can either be >> used for listening pleasure or for an audio-based map generator for a game. >> >> There is also a part of the free/libre software movement that cares for >> free/libre culture[3], which extends all the definitions to the >> non-functional/non-practical data/works. But from my past years implementing >> this to my works I can say that this is still challenging, as many people >> aren't aware that simply proving an .OGG/.OPUS file of a music is not enough >> (again, in the context of *free culture* activists, not free software >> activists), even if the license gives the four freedoms. >> >> Furthermore, the resources that would be required for one free culture >> activist alone to provide the complete corresponding source files amount to >> tebibytes of data unless you find a caring community to share the load with >> you by seeding using torrents. Even with this, the seeded data mustn't be >> mutable/changeable, so either you stick with one intro for the 1,000 videos >> of your channel or make shares for each revision of the intro. On top of >> that, unless your torrent share did distribute the complete corresponding >> source files of the awesome video that is also on the same share, you would >> still have licensing considerations to take into account before simply >> deleting the old versions/revisions. >> >> I don't know if WebTorrent/WebSeed/WebRTC supports seeding more than one >> file in the same torrent, and also has a way to tell which is the one that >> is supposed to be automatically played, but I hope it does provide such >> functions. >> >> Before PeerTube existed (and I don't even know if it's free/libre yet, >> despite the FSD entry, since I don't know if all the direct or indirect >> dependencies were reviewed), I tried publishing videos and pointing in the >> video's description to the torrent of the complete corresponding source >> files, which I seeded for about two years, then I faced some storage issues >> and lost all stuff except the torrent files. I tried using those to recover >> the source files, but no seed appeared, this is why the above two paragraphs >> are so important for free culture activism. >> >> >> # References >> >> >> [1]: >> https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#non-functional-data
There is a way to sign without using github or non free js. You can go there https://codeberg.org/rms-support-letter/rms-support-letter/issues/1, or send a signed patch to sign...@prog.cf or ~tyil/rms-supp...@lists.sr.ht. Librement, -- Adrien Bourmault Adhérent de l'April, Co-animateur système du service XMPP du Chapril, Associate member, Free Software Foundation GPG: aad6b069819e6979
signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
_______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss