* Valentino Giudice <valentino.giudic...@gmail.com> [2022-03-14 05:02]: > > Thus the software is "open source" but it is not free software. > > No, it is absolutely not. > > The founders of the open source movement, the Open Source Initiative, > Debian (which also uses the term "open source"), many software communities > and even several government agencies all mean the same thing by "open > source" (with disagreements on licenses that are on the very boundary of > that category) and software like that is absolutely *NOT* open > source.
That is what you say, though objectively, legally and protectively, it is not the reality. The term "open source" is used in vague manner all over the world in various applications including those which are not software. And by my previous example it is used in case of proprietary software. Surely I know what you mean, as I follow it since 1999. The attempt by Open Source Initiative (https://opensource.org/osd) to remain or be "in authority" over "what is Open Source" has long been dilluted and disintegrated. You or other people with limited knowledge about usage of the term "open source" may argue how is this or that, though when a trademark "open source" is registered for guns or wine making, then it is objectively and legally not only that what you wish and want it to be. Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.14 DESCRIPTION: Goods and Services IC 013. US 002 009. G & S: Component parts for guns; Muzzle brakes that screw onto a rifle barrel; Muzzle compensators; Noise suppressors for guns Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.35 DESCRIPTION: Owner (REGISTRANT) The Winemakers Co-Op Inc. CORPORATION Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.24 DESCRIPTION: Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Judo instruction and if we speak of "Open Source Initiative" here is what they legally have to say: Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.47 DESCRIPTION: NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "OPEN SOURCE" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN Various "Open Source" related trademarks https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=4807%3Avpqtar.1.1&p_search=searchss&p_L=50&BackReference=&p_plural=yes&p_s_PARA1=&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24LD&expr=PARA1+AND+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=open+source&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24COMB&p_op_ALL=AND&a_default=search&a_search=Submit+Query&a_search=Submit+Query After this very objective presentation that various "open source" related trademarks are used for judo, guns, wine makers and what else not, it becomes clear that numerous organizations and thus people and groups of people will not agree with us here on what "open source" means. It also proves that "Open Source Initiative" could not protect the trademark itself. Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.9 DESCRIPTION: Goods and Services IC 032. US 045 046 048. G & S: Smoothies; Organic fruit juice Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.7 DESCRIPTION: Goods and Services IC 045. US 100 101. G & S: Providing on-line information in the field of spirituality, self-help, and personal empowerment subject matters; Providing spiritual and philosophical guidance in the field of personal growth, empowerment, and enlightenment Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.17 DESCRIPTION: Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 025. US 022 039. G & S: Women's clothing, namely, shirts, dresses, skirts, blouses; Bottoms as clothing for men; Tops as clothing for men Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.18 DESCRIPTION: Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Education services, namely, providing classes, seminars and workshops in the fields of health, wellbeing and stress management, performance management, behavior change, and health coaching Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:vpqtar.2.4 DESCRIPTION: Goods and Services IC 019. US 001 012 033 050. G & S: Hardwood flooring; bamboo flooring; laminate flooring; waterproof laminate flooring; vinyl flooring; waterproof vinyl flooring; vinyl floor tiles; luxury vinyl floor tiles; stone polymer composite (SPC) flooring; stone polymer composite (SPC) floor tiles; vinyl flooring, vinyl floor tiles and luxury vinyl floor tiles containing a stone polymer composite (SPC) core; flooring underlayments Thus legally and protectively "Open Source" as term is used for everything and anything and there is nothing we can do about it. In GNU project we do not use "Open Source" or "Open" when referring to "Free Software": Open https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Open “Open” Please avoid using the term “open” or “open source” as a substitute for “free software.” Those terms refer to a different set of views based on different values. The free software movement campaigns for your freedom in your computing, as a matter of justice. The open source non-movement does not campaign for anything in this way. When referring to the open source views, it's correct to use that name, but please do not use that term when talking about us, our software, or our views—that leads people to suppose our views are similar to theirs. Instead of open source, we say, free software or free (libre) software. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss