I also don't think this is totally unrelated to free software, or asking you/FSF to do anything. Just a (random) discussion on a problem which exists in the world and has negative impact on adoption of free software which happens not to be an issue for you.
At 2022-04-18 11:25:17, "Whistler" <whistler_...@163.com> wrote: Here (in Beijing) we have been required to scan a QR code with a non-free covid 'contact tracing' app if we need to enter _anywhere_ since 2020, including the residence block of my own home. I don't think 'complaining' to any organizations would solve the issue, as it's a much bigger issue than free software but free software is an important factor. btw, I'd say: check your privilege, as you are obviously lucky enough NOT affected by these issues which affects many things (not limited to software freedom). At 2022-04-15 05:30:04, "Jean Louis" <bugs@gnu.support> wrote: >* andrew via libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> [2022-04 -14 18:30]: >> The reason I posted this here are: >> >> (1) During the lockdown, we are obligated to use the following nonfree >> software: > >How are you obligated? Which law, rule or policy is asking you that? > >Please provide references if there are any WWW references, so that we >may complain to those organizations. > >> 1. Tencent Meetings for school; >> 2. for getting a QR code as a token for mandated COVID tests; >> Simply swiping a second-generation citizen ID cart is >> "deprecated" for some reason; > >I wish I could understand, but QR code is not a software. Is there >software that is obligated to be installed? > >> 3. Nonfree online shopping platforms, mainly used by my family, >> because that's the only way people get food. > >Who is obligating you to use it? If it is "online" does that mean it >is website with non-free Javascript? > >> 1. I see social issues like this an important extension of the ideas >> of the movement---our goal is not free software, it's a free >> society, while free software is indeed one of the first steps >> (paraphrasing RMS); > >Free society is not same as Libreplanet. I don't think it is good to >discuss what "free" means for this or that party, as we are global, we >are people from various places. What may mean "free society" for one >person may be occupation for other. > >> 2. Sorry, I'm just a bit raged at the policy, and thinking it's >> freedom related I kinda need somewhere for it to go (not a good >> reason, bruh); > >Libreplanet is not generally freedom related, it is about free >software and freedom in computing. If we discuss topics that are >generally freedom related we deviate into a lot of politics and the >tendency may disperse people on this mailing list who are otherwise >interested in free software, and not general freedom topics. > >We better keep it on topic related to free software. > >> 3. The lockdowns here depict authoritarianism and DISRESPECT for >> individuality, > >Sure. > >> it's kind-of like how people are forced to use Zoom and WhatsApp and >> GitHub because everyone is on it (also why federated and distributed >> things like GNUnet are cool). > >There is no direct connection between lockdowns and proprietary >software. > >If you think you are forced, then complain to those who force you, and >please if possible provide references that I give you suggestion how >to complain. > >For example if organization is forcing you to use Zoom, then I would >like to ask organization if they would, due to force, also provide >all the hardware for the software. I would give them reasons why it is >not good, such as privacy abuses, backdoors, proprietary software, etc. > >> Either way, I do believe a -misc list makes sense. > >And I don't, as FSF has free software as purpose, and not general >politics as purpose. > >You are free to make your own mailing list. But using people on >Libreplanet mailing list for whatever other politics is somehow not >quite fair. > >I don't mind if FSF makes such decisions, I am stating my opinion. FSF >is non-profit and has specific purposes that must fit into the law, >into the IRS tax-free status and social benefits. > >Every person is free to pay few dollars and make a mailing list that >is not related to free software. > >> Free Software is our first step to a free society, > >I don't know what you mean with "free society". Can you define it? > >Jean > >Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: >https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > >In support of Richard M. Stallman >https://stallmansupport.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >libreplanet-discuss mailing list >libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
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