On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Tom Evslin via Starlink <starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > What’s missing in this math is how much cheaper (and better) the installation > is if you displace or hang from the existing copper usually in great position > below the electricity and almost no makeready in this case. Problem is > getting rid of the almost but not quite unused copper plus ownership > problems. I was on an FCC TAC which tried to plan for this 14 years ago but > came to nothing.
What was the name of that? I have been trying to find a great talk by Henning Shulzerinne about the copper plant, that I think took place at IETF in the 2013? 2015? timeframe that so far I have had no luck in finding. Maybe I am remembering the wrong conference... Btw Henning is my nominee for the 5th FCC commissioner, if only we had a vote: see: https://twitter.com/mtaht/status/1640480264760741889 It really bothers me that STILL both the CTO for the USA and the CTO of the FCC, are only "acting". > > > Also could be burying fiber and electric with road repaving which is way > over-funded to increase reliability and decrease ongoing maintenance costs. > > > > From: Starlink <starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Rich > Brown via Starlink > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 1:46 PM > To: David Lang <da...@lang.hm> > Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink <starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net>; dan > <danden...@gmail.com>; Dave Collier-Brown > <dave.collier-br...@indexexchange.com>; libreqos > <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bl...@lists.bufferbloat.net> > Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] Enabling a production model > > > > > > On Mar 29, 2023, at 1:13 PM, David Lang via Starlink > <starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > The problem is that laying cable (or provisioning wifi access to cover the > area) is expensive, and if you try to have multiple different companies doing > it, they each need a minimum density of users to make it worth their while. > > > > Yes, this stuff is expensive, Here is reasonably current order-of-magnitude > cost breakdown for a rural NH town nearby: > > > > 1) $55,000 per road-mile to design the system, get licenses to install on the > utility poles, "make ready" (to check that the poles are ready for new > facilities) and to hang the fiber on the pole. Installing coax would save $5K > to $8K per mile. > > > > 2) $2,000 to $4,000 per premise to install the drop from the utility pole to > the building, bring the fiber into the building and install the router. > > > > 3) Pole rental (in NH) is about $10/pole/year. Divide miles of road by 200 > feet between poles to get an estimate of the number of poles. > > > > So density of customers is critical for the business case. That's why there > are so many monopoly providers - it's costly to overbuild an already served > area. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink -- AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC _______________________________________________ LibreQoS mailing list LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
