Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:48:50 +0100 From: "Jon DuQueno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - Replacment hard drive? - Installing Win98se - MP3 Player
Success :P Seems the problem was caused by using XP to format the primary partition in Fat32. I tired re-formatting the primary partition in DOS (Fat16) on the libretto then copying the files over in desktop and win 98 installed fine :) Think it was a problem with installing Win98 to a Fat32 partition. BTW I checked in fdisk and the primary DOS partition was always set to active. I've installed the Toshiba utils, got floppy drive working and most importantly Doom 2 with sound :P Tried playing some MP3's in Windows media player 6 and was disappointed with the choppy playback. Also tried installing winamp 3 but it won't play any MP3's... What media player is best? Should I download Windows Media 9 or try one of the older versions? Is it worth installing the latest Toshiba sound and video drivers? The windows 98se default drivers seem up to date anyhow... And one last thing, I can't find the little cable for the network card so may have to buy another (I want windows updates, file transfer and web browsing) does this look ok? www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=31879&doy=19m10 Thanks again for all your help Jon D -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 October 2005 21:25 To: Libretto Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - Replacment hard drive? - Installing Win98se Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:25:15 +0000 From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - Replacment hard drive? - Installing Win98se >From: Jonathan DuQueno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I'm making progress but now Im stuck again :( > >- Deleted all partitions using desktop->win xp->computer management. That's probably the problem there Jonathan. You need to do the initial partitioning in the Libretto. >- Used Win 98se boot disk to create max primary dos partition (7.8GB). > >- Formatted as Fat32 using desktop->win xp->computer management. > >- Copied Win98se CD to primary partition. > >- Booted from Win 98se disk and run c:/win98/setup.exe. > >- Scan disk runs ok. > >- Win 98 preparing setup wizard reaches 100% (pretty color screen and >working mouse thingy, love it even more now). > >- Then I get an error message :( > >Message SU0013 Setup can not create files on your startup drive If you >have HPFS or NTFS you must create a MS-DOS boot partition > >Found this http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188166 on Microsoft but not >much help :( > >I downloaded the boot disk from www.bootdisk.com (Windows 98SE OEM). > >Is this because I formatted the drive using XP or a problem with the boot >disk Im using? My guess is that yes, I think your problems may be due to your using XP to do initial partitioning before proceeding. From the Microsoft support page you pointed to, it says: ------------------------ CAUSE Some Toshiba Tecra computers were shipped with incorrect information in the hard disk partition table. As a result, Setup detects a problem with the hard disk. In this case, >>the partition table indicates that extended INT13 calls are not available<<. Regular INT13 calls work only in real (or MS-DOS) mode. ------------------------ The problem with using XP to do partitioning like this is that it writes extra data to any drive it sees in a hidden folder called 'System Volume Information'. Though I've never found out if that would cause any problems for installing a Windows in a Libretto. But more importantly, XP is no doubt writing a partition table that includes cylinder information about area beyond 8GB that isn't going to make any sense when put in the Libby. That, becuase the desktop is going to provide Int13 data that the Lib isn't going to understand. I think you need to do >everything< in DOS from the very beginning. To start, if it's not already there, add the file format.com to the W98 boot floppy from C:\Windows\Command folder on a system with Windows 98. I'm not sure if the version in XP is the same, but you could find that in C:\WINDOWS\system32 if you don't have a W98 system. With the Windows 98 OS installation CD in the desktop's CD-ROM drive, try this: * Put the drive back in the Lib * Boot from a W98 boot floppy * Delete all existing partitions * Create one big primary partition with FDISK * Exit FDISK and run 'A:\>Format C:' (without the quotes.. upper/lower case is not important) * Pull the IDE ribbon from the hard drive in the desktop, and connect the Lib drive to it (That so you don't boot XP. Make sure there's no other hard drives connected.) * Boot the system from the W98 boot floppy, and choose to enable CD-ROM support * At the A:\> prompt, run 'C:' to switch to the Lib drive's C: partition. * At the C:\> prompt, run 'md Win98' - That will create a C:\Win98 folder * At the C:\> prompt, run 'E:' - That should be your CD-ROM drive * Run 'dir /p' and hit the Enter key to scroll if necessary to confirm you're reading the CD-ROM drive If the Lib drive and CD-ROM are the only drives in the desktop, the CD-ROM is most likely going to be the E: drive, as the Win98 boot floppy will create a D: RAM drive. If you don't see a E:\Win98 folder after running 'dir /p' (p pauses the DOS scroll), try switching to F: or G: * If you see a E:\Win98, run 'CD\Win98' * Run 'copy *.* C:\Win98 That will copy all of the Windows installation files over to the Lib drive. If you have the lib drivers on a CD in individual folders, you could run a similar process for each. Someone else on the list may have a more practical procedure for doing this. You can then put the drive in the Lib, and run Windows' setup.exe. You >might< get away with loading the drivers and Win98 installation files onto the Lib drive in XP. But I'm not certain if XP is going to cause you any partition problems. Maybe someone elee on the list here could chime in here. As long as you don't do any partitioning in XP, you might be safe. But XP may remove the Lib drive's 'Active' (boot) configuration. That'd be easy enough to reset by booting the drive in the Lib from a floppy set up with DOS versions of Ranish or Partition Magic partitioning software, but that gets convoluted. A more fail-safe method of copying over the \Win98 files and Lib drivers would be to connect the drive to a system running Windows 98, and doing it there. W98 won't mess with the drive partitions like XP will. Good luck! Matt Wanted: 110 motherboard or bare bones 110 system Libretto list info: Libretto list archive #1: http://www.technoir.nu/cgi-bin/libretto.cgi Libretto list archive #2: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To unsubscribe: http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2004/msg01419.html >Matthew Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From: "Jon DuQueno" > > > >Thanks for your reply. Got a cheap 20GB IBM TravelStar today :) But >having > >a > >little trouble formatting it and installing win 98 (I don't really know > >what > >I'm doing) :( > > > >I deleted all the partitions using desktop->Win XP->computer management. > >Then I tried creating a new partition using a Fdisk from a Dos 6.22 boot > >disk in the libretto (downloaded from www.bootdisk.com). I thought this > >would give me the max primary partition size (8GB ish) but when I created >a > >maximum primary partition it was only 2GB :( So I then tried creating a > >7.8GB Fat32 partition in desktop->Win XP->computer management instead. I > >then copied my old Win98se CD to the c: drive, put drive back in the > >libretto and booted from my dos disk. But it wouldn't let me switch to >the > >c: drive... error "Invalid drive specification". > >The "Invalid drive specification" message was probably because the C: >partition wasn't set to 'Active' (bootable). That, probably because you >used XP to do the partitioning. It'll only allow 1 partition to be set >active. > > >Should this work, what am I doing wrong? Is it possible to use a 8GB > >primary > >partition? Does it need to be formatted as fat16 (Win XP->computer > >management didn't give me fat16 option)? Do I ned to be using EZ-driveH > >Does Win XP->computer management use 1,000 or 1,024 when specifying > >partition sizes? > > > >Ideally I want a 8GB partition for Win98 (C:) 100mb for hibernation data > >and > >12GB for a second partition (D:). Libretto bios version is 6.20. > > > >I have tried searching the archive and www.silverace.com/libretto/ but > >can't > >find an idiot proof guide for setting up 8GB+ drive on the 70CT, please > >help. > >You might want to start over, and do all the initial partitioning in the >LIbretto booted from a Windows 98 startup disk if you can get one. Use >FDISK to delete any existing partitions. Then make the biggest partition >that FDISK will allow you in the Libretto. Well, that's how some people do >it, and then put the HDD in the desktop, format the drive (goes faster >there >I think) and load all of the Windows installation files and Libretto >drivers >where you can access them after the OS is installed. > >I prefer to make a 4-5GB C: partition with FDISK and leave it empty. Then >make a 2-3GB D: data logical partition with the rest of the drive space >where you can load the Windows OS installation files (you only need the > >files< from the x:\win98 folder, not any of the other folders and file in >them). Then I put the drive in the desktop, format the partitions, and copy >the OS installation and driver files to the D: drive. It's nice to leave >the D:\win98 folder & files on the drive so any future requests will be >directed there instead of having to connect the DC-ROM with the W98 CD. > >Then put the drive back in the Libretto, boot from a Windows 98 boot >floppy, >run 'D:', and 'cd\win98' and 'setup.exe' from thje DOS prompt. After >Windows >installs, you'll want to install all of the Libretto drivers. The biggest >pain can be the floppy drivers. Be sure to disconnect the floppy drive >after Windows starts to load. Otherwise you may start directing Windows to >driver files after it boots, and forget to unckeck the option to for it >look >on the A: drive. Without floppy drivers installed, you'll be sitting there >for 5-10 minutes before Windows decides to release control of the system to >you with a prompt saying that it can't find the A: drive. > >After that's all done, the system will be able to see the full 20GB of the >drive. So you can create partitions after the 8GB boundry, leaving about >50MB free space empty before them for the Libretto hibernation area in a >50/70CT with 32MB RAM, or about 100MB for a 100/110CT with 64MB. > >Matt
