Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:06:28 -0800
From: John Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] Can't you just feel the love in this list ...

Hello Raymond...

I agree with your point Raymond.  I might reserve the word love for a 
spouse generally, but I belive everyone loves differently.  To some love is 
something you say, just words.  To me it is measurable in the amount of 
energy and effort persons use to interact with another or others.  My 
grandmother cooked and fed, my grandfather spent time teaching me how to 
work on automobiles etc.  People express themselves so many different ways, 
I do try to keep that in mind always, especially here on the net where 
there is much different information coming into the senses for 
communication.  No voice tones to read, no facial expressions to see etc. 
 I don't view electronic textual communications as limited, only different. 
 You don't learn to read voices and facial expressions over night either. 
 This, to me, adds responsibility to express oneself more carefully on the 
internet in communication methods like this one.  I have heard a saying 
before "The meaning of spoken word is 10% what is said, and 90% how it is 
said."  I do not know where this originated or if it is even statistically 
accurate, but I feel confident I get the point.
The point to the above... in my opinion, there are a lot of people who 
"love" in their own way... why else would so many others spend so much time 
helping others? (rhetorical)  Which brings me to a close... sometimes 
children are incapable of understanding something specifically and might 
need a "scolding" to get a point across.  I have felt it necessary only a 
very few times in my life to do this and was never abusive.  To me, they 
are very distinctly different.  Name calling etc doesn't help a lesson be 
taught in my opinion.  I only associate the name calling and talking down 
to others with people who feel they are superior (parental?) to others... 
and that is why I stated what I did.

I was safety advisor to a plant I used to work in and it simply wasn't 
beneficial, appropriate or necessary to talk down to "the guys" to teach 
them how to be safe in a hazardous environment... but the one before me was 
abusive, which is why he was fired.  The point is that I have seen some 
"bad" people who TRY to justify abuse they enjoy, by claiming they are just 
trying to help or just trying to protect others.  Screw that.  Again, I am 
confident with my ability to see through that.  They are distinctly 
different.

(wrapping it up...)
There are some extremely intelligent and knowledgeable people here on this 
Libretto site that never ever talk down to others.  Quite frankly I think 
that is likely part of why they are so knowledgeable.  One can learn a lot 
while teaching and listening to others.  A smart person learns from a 
teacher, a wise person learns from everyone and everything.  To me, the 
wisest people are the ones asking questions, not the ones overly concerned 
with how much they know compared to another.  So when I see someone 
inhibiting another from asking questions, I can't help but react a bit.  I 
guess that is one way I love.

And Raymond, I do think sometimes people forget there are real people on 
other end of these emails... but sometimes the person sending doesn't care 
about anyone but themselves, and sometimes not even that.

Oh... and to stay on topic, I love my Libretto's  ; )
(100CT and 110CT)

John Martin


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From:  Raymond [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:  Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:40 PM
To:  Libretto
Subject:  [LIB] Can't you just feel the love in this list ...

Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:37:03 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't you just feel the love in this list ...

Hi all!


I realise this is the Internet, people can post what they want and all that 
and I do realise that a vast majority, if not all, posts to the list are
done in good faith ... but as no more than a fellow list member may please
I take the liberty of reminding everyone that it is a person on the other
end of the post, a person just like yourself - a person with feelings and
emotions. A little care in posting can mean the difference between making
someone happy and grateful and making someone feel depressed or annoyed,
even if only for an instant. I'm sure I know which one I want! :-P

I don't mean to be high-and-mighty about this so if it seems that way,
well, that wasn't my intention! :-)

At this point I would like to dispense a virtual
hug/handshake/suitable_greeting to everyone (and I do mean everyone) on the 
list. Please reply to this post if you wish to do the same, even if it
sounds like a stupid concept! :-D


*hug*

- Raymond


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