This fork of the thread is veering into unnecessary, unilluminating, and unkind rhetoric, and is the kind of conversation that gives the OSI license lists a bad reputation. I suggest that it's time for everyone to drop it.
Pam Pamela Chestek Chair, License Review Committee Open Source Initiative On 2/23/2020 11:17 AM, John Cowan wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:30 AM Eric Schultz <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I know most of you think Rick is out of line because I know you > are good, thoughtful people. It's not remotely enough to ignore > this sidelining in defense of a predator and hope it goes away. > Take some community leadership here and speak up at the very least > and illustrate what is out of line. > > > I will indeed. > > In this paragraph you are employing one of the classic techniques of > propaganda: the bandwagon. "Join the crowd, we are the silent > majority, our victory is inevitable!" I won't mention all the > historical and present individuals and groups that use(d) this > technique, because I don't want to suggest an equivalence between > their views and yours. Nevertheless, when I see a blatant attempt to > propagandize like this one, I become sharply less trustful of the > speaker, and I am a pretty unsuspicious person in general. > > Anyone coming into a community and saying something unusual is subject > to having their motives doubted. Here's the usual personal (and > therefore political) anecdote: When I said on these lists that two > Microsoft licenses were open source and that OSI should certify them, > I was attacked elsewhere, first for being a paid shill for Microsoft, > then for being an *unconscious* shill. Not knowing how to refute the > second charge, I remained calm, pointed to evidence of my character > and views, spelled out the facts underlying my opinion, and waited it > out. You could have done the same. > > You are also, by the way, employing innuendo and assuming facts not > yet demonstrated. Three fallacies in two sentences is pretty > impressive if you like that sort of thing. I don't myself, but tastes > differ. > > If I was a survivor of RMS' harassment or a survivor of sexual > assault or from a marginalized group, I'm pretty sure I'd have > left by now. That's not acceptable. > > > There are plenty of members of marginalized groups on this list, > including the largest such group. I have not noticed any > departures-in-a-huff, or a minute and a huff either, because Rick Moen > (who does not suffer fools lightly, as I often do) has said > something. But by all means don't let the door hit you on the way out. > > I have done my best to illustrate what is out of line. > > ~~ plonk ~~ > > (Note: the .sig below was chosen in the usual way, randomly from my > list. The random numbers have been, I think, particularly felicitous > today.) > > > > John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > He that would foil me must use such weapons as I do, for I have not > fed my readers with straw, neither will I be confuted with stubble. > --Thomas Vaughan (1650) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > License-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org
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