We apply for and are granted patents on a regular basis at ARL.  In fact, part 
of how scientists and engineers are evaluated on their performance can include 
the number of patents they get, all of which are owned by the USG.

Thanks,
Cem Karan

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> Totally agree.  But can the USG file patents?  I suppose research 
> organizations can (MITRE, maybe even NASA?) so it's not that academic;
> but presumably any place where this public domain arises, it applies to 
> patents too.  Would be nice to get that sorted.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, Chris DiBona wrote:
> > In military contracting , patent grants are key to the point where I 
> > wouldn't consider a non patent granting license from, say, lockheed as
> being open source at all.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 18, 2016 3:05 PM, "Tzeng, Nigel H." <nigel.tz...@jhuapl.edu> wrote:
> >       On 8/18/16, 3:57 PM, "License-discuss on behalf of Lawrence Rosen"
> >       <license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org on behalf of 
> > lro...@rosenlaw.com>
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> >
> >       >Nigel Tzeng wrote:
> >       >> The issue here is for code that is potentially quite substantial.  
> > I
> >       >>would think that would be a different scenario.
> >       >
> >       >If I include the works of Shakespeare in my software, it would of 
> > course
> >       >be substantial and yet still be public domain almost everywhere (?).
> >
> >       If patents aren't a concern then okay.  Copyright lasts longer than
> >       patents so for anything that is in the public domain because of age 
> > then
> >       no patents would still apply.
> >
> >       There isn¹t a lot of code that has aged out.  Only code written 
> > between
> >       before 1963 and didn¹t get a renewal.
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