Thanks, Jim. Will do.

Chas.

Jim Lloyd wrote:
> Chas,
> 
> This is my first post to this group. I'm a friend of David's who has 
> been meaning to learn Scala and Lift for months based on David's praise 
> for Scala and his obvious joy in working on Lift. I finally found some 
> time to dive into Scala and I love it. I'm now trying to find time to 
> dive into Lift, and I too am wishing for more documentation. This means 
> that I probably won't be able to answer any of your questions, but that 
> I will be keenly interested in anything you produce, including all of 
> your questions, whether they get quick answers or not. I recommend that 
> you post your questions to this list. It might be worthwhile to identify 
> your questions with some prefix in the subject like "DocQ: ...", but I 
> think it better that you don't fragment the list.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Charles F. Munat <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     OK, I have an idea and I think I've narrowed it down to something I can
>     fit into my schedule. I'll work on it and hopefully will have something
>     in the next week or so.
> 
>     Chas.
> 
>     Charles F. Munat wrote:
>      > Actually, after reviewing my schedule and reconsidering the amount of
>      > time required, I'm probably biting off more than I can chew. Also, I
>      > understand that you're hard at work on a manual. Any idea when
>     and how
>      > that will be available?
>      >
>      > Chas.
>      >
>      > David Pollak wrote:
>      >> Charles,
>      >>
>      >> I am unclear what you are asking for.  The Lift list is open to
>     all for
>      >> posting.  If you've got questions, by all means, post them.
>      There are
>      >> lots of folks who are helpful and knowledgeable on the list.
>      >>
>      >> One of the reasons that the Lift list and the Lift community are
>      >> populated with such awesome and helpful people is the attitude
>     and tone
>      >> on the list and in the community.  We are here to welcome folks
>     into the
>      >> community, help them understand, and build excellent things.
>      >>
>      >> As you produce stuff and contribute to the Lift community, I
>     expect that
>      >> you'll get increasingly positive responses to your work and your
>     questions.
>      >>
>      >> Thanks,
>      >>
>      >> David
>      >>
>      >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles F. Munat
>     <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>      >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>     Lift desperately needs better documentation prior to the
>     release of
>      >>     version 1.0. Despite the efforts of many to create
>     documentation, there
>      >>     is still no clear path to Lift adoption for the majority of web
>      >>     developers out there. At least, none that I can find.
>      >>
>      >>     I am willing to write Lift documentation, but I don't
>     understand Lift
>      >>     well enough to do so. I am also unwilling to waste hours
>     searching for
>      >>     answers to questions -- that is simply not a worthwhile use
>     of my time.
>      >>
>      >>     I am willing to devote an hour a day for the month of
>     September to
>      >>     getting a good start on a non-wiki documentation site. What
>     I need is
>      >>     permission to post questions to the mailing list.
>      >>
>      >>     The reason I need permission is because when I have a
>     question, I want
>      >>     to be able to post it and get a rapid reply. I do not have
>     several hours
>      >>     to spend on each question searching through the wiki, the
>     mailing list,
>      >>     and the example code trying to figure out if it has been
>     answered
>      >>     before. That is not an efficient use of my time, and I have
>     very little
>      >>     time.
>      >>
>      >>     This may result in a lot of traffic to the list. I'll have a
>     lot of
>      >>     questions. So I suggest the creation of a separate
>     "documentation"
>      >>     mailing list. And if some of the best coders for Lift were
>     on that list
>      >>     and agreed to try to respond quickly, then I can learn Lift
>     quickly (a
>      >>     benefit to me) and I can write the documentation quickly (a
>     benefit to
>      >>     the community and new users). Win-win.
>      >>
>      >>     I am even willing to give my phone number to select members
>     of the
>      >>     community so that they can call me with answers to questions
>     if that's
>      >>     faster than writing an email. This is about getting
>     documentation done,
>      >>     quickly and accurately. The "if you build it, documentation
>     will come"
>      >>     method does not work in real life.
>      >>
>      >>     It would also be nice if folks on the list would read the
>     documentation
>      >>     and send corrections, suggestions, comments, etc. to me
>     (maybe via the
>      >>     documentation mailing list).
>      >>
>      >>     I've been out of the loop for a couple of months, so maybe
>     some of this
>      >>     already exists. If so, please enlighten me.
>      >>
>      >>     Does the Lift community think this would be valuable? I can
>     tell you now
>      >>     that barring some sort of effort along these lines, it is
>     not looking
>      >>     like I will ever have the time to make Lift my primary
>     development
>      >>     method, and that would be a shame. And if I'm having that
>     problem, I
>      >>     suspect that many others are as well. Great documentation =
>     rapid
>      >>     adoption. Poor documentation = possibly, consignment to the
>     great heap
>      >>     of good ideas that failed.
>      >>
>      >>     Feedback?
>      >>
>      >>     Charles F. Munat
>      >>     Seattle
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> --
>      >> Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net
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>      >>
>      >
>      > >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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