Luc, Jorge, Kaliya and I did a LiftWorkshop in November. We had 6 people at the workshop. We tried to pack in Scala and Lift all into a day... it didn't work.
Jorge and I have done some review and we figure there's 3 days of Scala training and 2-3 days of Lift training that would be a minimum for folks to be able to go home and build Lift apps. The To Do example (see http://liftweb.net/docs/getting_started.html ) would be one of the days (we gave it about an hour during the workshop and that was not nearly enough.) Thanks, David On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Luc Duponcheel <luc.duponch...@gmail.com>wrote: > here are some thoughts: > > - agreeing upon the *what* is probably easier than agreeing upon the *how > * > for example: which IDE to use (if any) during the labs [ Eclipse, > Netbeans, ... ] . > My experience is that the description of how to do labs should be > independent > of any tools (it does not make sense to explicitely state things like: > in Netbeans > go to this submenu and select that choice and ... ). > > - I think we should go for 'extreme course development' in the sense that > changes can be incorporated quickly (any text based format that > can (in a moderated way) be edited by many people is good > (e.g. LaTeX, assuming the existence of templates)) > [ maybe git would be a perfect candidate for doing version management ] > Another advantage of using text based development is that consistency > can be automated: for example, code excerpts in slides can be extracted > programmatically from the code proper so that all changes to that code > are automatically propagated [ and also propagated in the embedded > slides > of student guides ]. I have some LateX templates (and Scala code) to > automate all this. > [ I have to agree that there is much room for improvement of the > look-and-feel > (it has been some time since I played around with LaTeX, and I'm not a > specialist > of LaTeX's beamer package) ] > > - About the financial model: if it is joint work, then I do not think it > makes > much sense to ask companies like Sun (or Oracle) money for the * > development* > of the material. If they are willing to make the material part of their > curriculum > (which implies: visibility via their catalogs), > then we can make money by *delivering* the material. > Whether or not the material itself should be freely downoadable by anyone > in the world is yet another matter. Again, maybe there should be some > moderated group of people having access to the material. > > > ... > > Luc > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Viktor Klang <viktor.kl...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Luc Duponcheel <luc.duponch...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I attended the talk on Scala and the talk on Lift. >>> Both excellent talks! >>> >>> [ I did not attend the talk on Actors >>> (I was cycling on the other side of the Golden Gate Bridge (Mt >>> Tamalpais)) ] >>> >>> ... >>> >>> Those talks act as 'teasers' to make developers >>> 'eager to know more about Scala'. >>> >>> This is great! >>> >>> But, sometimes, I also have the impression that those talks >>> 'preach for those that are already converted'. >>> >>> The point I want to make is the following: >>> >>> when talking to developers about Scala, >>> I am almost always confronted with the fact that they >>> still think it has a 'steep learning curve'. >>> I tell them that 'once you have climbed the mountain, >>> you can enjoy the view over the landscape' (cfr Mt Tamalpais). >>> >>> So, I really think there is this need for *hands on training*. >>> >>> Maybe some of you folks should try to convince Sun (or Oracle) Education >>> to invest in training courses. Not a simple task indeed, but, worth the >>> effort >>> (helps Scala becoming mainstream). >>> >>> ps: I agree that I'm partially saying this out of pure opportunism >>> (I'm delivering Java courses for Sun Education, and, of course, >>> I would be the first one to deliver Scala courses). >>> >> >> Awesome idea. >> >> Would be great to establish some kind of curriculum with joint teaching >> material to be able to offer courses worldwide. >> >> >>> >>> >>> Luc >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:40 PM, David Pollak < >>> feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> A big congratulations to the authors as well as the whole Scala >>>> community... Yet another proof point that 2009 is the year of Scala. Rock >>>> On! >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:34 AM, TylerWeir <tyler.w...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=54862 >>>>> >>>>> Quote: >>>>> Here are the top 10 selling books at the JavaOne Bookstore. Are these >>>>> a trend? You decide. >>>>> >>>>> 1. JavaFX: Building Rich Internet Applications - Addison Wesley ISBN: >>>>> 013701287X >>>>> 2. Essential JavaFX - PTR (out June 11, 2009) ISBN: 0137042795 >>>>> 3. Effective Java 2nd ed. - PTR ISBN: 0321356683 >>>>> 4. Java Puzzlers - Addison Wesley ISBN: 032133678X >>>>> 5. Programming in Scala - Artima ISBN: 0981531601 >>>>> 6. Java Concurrency in Practice - Addison Wesley ISBN:0321349601 >>>>> 7. Beginning Java EE 5: From Novice to Professional - Apress ISBN: >>>>> 1590594703 >>>>> 8. The Definitive Guide to Lift - Apress ISBN: 1430224215 >>>>> 9. Beginning Scala - Apress ISBN: 1430219890 >>>>> 10. OpenSolaris Bible - Wiley ISBN: 0470385480 >>>>> >>>>> Another chance for me to thank everyone involved. >>>>> - dpp for building the framework and being more helpful than any >>>>> person should be expected to be. >>>>> - Derek and Marius for being excellent co-authors and about 8 times >>>>> smarter than me. >>>>> >>>>> Huzza! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net >>>> Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 >>>> Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp >>>> Git some: http://github.com/dpp >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> __~O >>> -\ <, >>> (*)/ (*) >>> >>> reality goes far beyond imagination >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Viktor Klang >> Rockstar Developer >> > > > > -- > __~O > -\ <, > (*)/ (*) > > reality goes far beyond imagination > > -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Git some: http://github.com/dpp --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lift" group. 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