I personally think having some mostly uncomplicated web apps (PocketChange 
style) and some end-to-end tests using those in the repository would be 
extremely valuable -- shakes out bugs that nobody expected to occur (such as 
this one) and serves as a known-working example.

-Ross

On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:51 PM, David Pollak wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Raoul Duke <rao...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Raoul Duke <rao...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > imho a high-level test is way more useful for determining if the
> > system is basically working, because it is so end-to-end; no, it
> > doesn't tell you precisely what to fix like a unit test would, but the
> > code-written-to-code-covered ratio is much better for high-level
> > system tests than it is for unit tests.
> 
> in other words: are there any 'professional' Test/QA (note those are
> different roles!) people on the Lift team/list?
> 
> Just to be clear, the Lift team has a particularly stellar record of keeping 
> the master development branch stable.  In the instant case, the master branch 
> was unstable for about 10 hours.  The last time the master branch was not 
> stable was more than 60 days ago and the instability in that case also lasted 
> for < 12 hours.  I deploy most of my projects against master... as apparently 
> does Tim.  I have not participated in a project, commercial or open source, 
> where the main development branch (call it master, head, edge, etc.) has been 
> as stable as it is in Lift.
> 
> So, I don't think we need additional QA.  I think the existing processes work 
> just fine.
>  
> 
> sincerely.
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