On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, < lightning-dev-requ...@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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Re: Questions on SIGHASH_NOINPUT (Rusty Russell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 04:16:56 +0100 > From: "Satoshi Nakamoto" <satoshi...@gmx.com> > To: lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > Subject: [Lightning-dev] Hello every ones ! A message from an unknown > traveller. > Message-ID: > <trinity-93fe4b16-df67-4dc4-8109-4e7e69be2d3b- > 1510715816437@3c-app-mailcom-bs16> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/ > attachments/20171115/9ac73bbb/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:41:58 +0000 > From: Matt Corallo <lf-li...@mattcorallo.com> > To: lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Satoshi Nakamoto > <satoshi...@gmx.com> > Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] Hello every ones ! A message from an > unknown traveller. > Message-ID: <48af1a9d-e418-40af-a5a4-36423ef22...@mattcorallo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > +1 > > Keep Bitcoin Weird. > > On November 14, 2017 10:16:56 PM EST, Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshi...@gmx.com> > wrote: > >_______________________________________________ > >Lightning-dev mailing list > >Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > >https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/ > attachments/20171115/8eea265c/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:01:19 +1030 > From: Rusty Russell <ru...@rustcorp.com.au> > To: <lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > Subject: [Lightning-dev] [MINUTES] Dev Meeting 2017-11-13 > Message-ID: <877eus59zc....@rustcorp.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi! > > Sorry I've been slack posting previous minutes, but the good > news is we've put them all in one place: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oU4wxzGsYd0T084rTXJbedb7Gvdtj > 4ax638nMkYUmco/edit#heading=h.8iu8f3dcmgj2 > > Highlights from 2017-11-13: > - Integration tests looking good. > - But we broke freeze by unanimous agreement, to include ACINQ's > brilliant htlckey separation proposal. > - Integration tests will add reconnect tests. > - c-lightning needs to handle update_fee for bitcoin fee updates > (WIP) > > Old highlights from 2017-10-30: > - lnd has Tor addressing support! > - Our first optional feature was voted into spec > (option-data-loss-protect) > > Old highlights from 2017-10-16: > - Turns out there's a thinko in CTLV calculation across routes. > Long collaboration, simple spec changes to fix. > > Cheers, > Rusty. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:47:42 +0100 > From: Marcel Jamin <mar...@jamin.net> > To: Matt Corallo <lf-li...@mattcorallo.com> > Cc: Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshi...@gmx.com>, > lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] Hello every ones ! A message from an > unknown traveller. > Message-ID: > <CAAUq485TpsEA_9cgiWcjb1v8hS7fw2-jZQfOsKM9skC+bmN4WQ@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > ... and Matt blue! > > Your hair color related hard fork did not have consensus. > > On 15 November 2017 at 04:41, Matt Corallo <lf-li...@mattcorallo.com> > wrote: > > +1 > > > > Keep Bitcoin Weird. > > > > On November 14, 2017 10:16:56 PM EST, Satoshi Nakamoto < > satoshi...@gmx.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hello Every Ones, > >> > >> > >> > >> I was travelling all around the cyberspace to find my twin brother, who > >> has been lost in the unknown since 2007. By chance I was passing by, so > I > >> thought it would be good to stop over my Intergalactic Cyberspace Craft > as I > >> have noticed something lightning here; I think you all are here trying > to do > >> something to achieve something greater than others which is more > transparent > >> and efficient. It is always good to try and expect far greater success. > >> There is nothing wrong being optimistic and expecting something very > large > >> if it is measureable by quantum mechanism no matter what others may > think or > >> they may say ? > >> > >> > >> > >> Try your best but plan ahead with systemitic strategic capacity. I used > to > >> hear from the older folks two and a half decades ago ?something must > emerge, > >> something must emerge? they used to say it day and night but when > something > >> has emerged they cannot see it, some of them are day blind and the rest > have > >> gone out of their own mind; I think you all will find, what you are > looking > >> forward to find but please be kind to each other no matter what the > >> backbiter say distressful things behind your back ? Be determined and > try; > >> try and try again and again until you find a perfect algorithm to > complete > >> your mission. > >> > >> > >> > >> Satoshi Nakamoto > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Lightning-dev mailing list > > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:07:22 +1030 > From: Rusty Russell <ru...@rustcorp.com.au> > To: Tomas <to...@bitcrust.org>, > lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] Questions on SIGHASH_NOINPUT > Message-ID: <87shdf4yl9....@rustcorp.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Tomas <to...@bitcrust.org> writes: > > Thank you for your feedback, > > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2017, at 04:04, Rusty Russell wrote: > >> Malleation is a problem for every commitment transaction: we use HTLC > >> transactions which depend on it. Now, in theory SIGHASH_NOINPUT could > >> be used to work around malleation here too, by allowing you to update > >> the dependent transaction, but you need separate keys on every output to > >> ensure that transactions can't be connected to the wrong outputs. > > > > But doesn't the current specification already ensure that every key is > > only used once? At least that is what I am understanding from the key > > derivation rules at: > > > > https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/03- > transactions.md > > It's different for different commitment transactions, not not for > different HTLC outputs attached to the same transaction. > > >> IIRC it cuts the number of updates down by about a factor of 2 under > >> typical use, more under weird conditions. Basically you can re-attach > >> the HTLC transaction instead of needing a new one. > >> > >> IMHO SIGHASH_NOINPUT is a generally nice thing to have, though it's > >> extremely dangerous if you reuse keys at all. So, don't do that :) > > > > If the prescribed key derivation algorithm ensures uniqueness, under > > what circumstances could the keys be reused? Is it just a faulty > > implementation here that is the risk? > > Yes, if you reuse addresses, a signed SIGHASH_NOINPUT input can be > attached to either one. This may (or may not) be a problem, depending > on the exact usage. > > Cheers, > Rusty. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > > > End of Lightning-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 9 > ******************************************** >
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