On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Graham Percival <gra...@percival-music.ca> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Trevor Daniels <t.dani...@treda.co.uk> wrote: >> You know, after rebuffs like this it's hardly >> surprising you don't get many people offering to >> help you. Seeing this, anyone thinking of offering >> will likely think again. > > Valentin is a personal friend, and the grumpy/fluffy interplay > has been a constant between us. I take much more liberties with > him than I would anybody else. If I've taken too much liberty here, I > apologize. (I'll follow up with him off-list)
Wow, I'm not sure what's the most touching here: Trevor stepping up very kindly (as always) or Graham referring to me as a "friend"... Either way, I feel compelled to say something now :) Whilst I do understand that such tactless rebuttals might look impressive and unappealing to newcomers, I hope everyone who subscribes to lily-devel understands that most people here actually have known each other for years, and that there may be a subtext implied in every such conversation. Having been involved (and in charge of) several communities, I must say that the quality of the LilyPond community is well above average, as has been reported by quite a lot of contributors or visitors over the years. Generally speaking, people here are friendly, intelligent, helpful and inconceivably respectful towards each other. This specific discussion makes my point: every time there might be some words considered to harsh, someone steps up to try and defuse any possible conflict (even in otherwise lost causes, as we've seen). Graham has been my mentor for nearly five years now, and he somehow still is, although I have consistently provided him with every reason to give up on me: even though I disagree with him on this one, I appreciate the fact that it took him less than 15 minutes to acknowledge my patch -- albeit in his own way :) > Look, we've had a few rounds of fruitless discussion about > indentation, pretty much on a yearly basis. Each time, after 20 > or 30 emails and goodness knows how many hours spent > reading+writing (summed over all developers), nothing has changed. > I'm trying to head off such a discussion so that people won't be > (more) sick of the topic later on. Well, maybe for once my approach is less ambitious than yours: from what I gathered of said discussions, our policy was "do not push huge commits affecting lots of files, but feel free to correct indentation if you stumble upon inconsistencies in a source file you happen to be working on". Which is what I did in this specific case. Anyway, I certainly won't fight over this patch. Not being familiar with C++/yacc development, I can't tell exactly how obtrusive it is (and I suspect neither can you). All I know is that it feels good to do something you don't think you totally suck at[1], and correcting indentation did nicely fit in this category for me, at least compared to coding, bug-handling, writing documentation or newsletters :) Cheers, Valentin PS. BTW: many thanks to John for having taught me how to use emacs, which now makes me able to indent files The Only Right Way® :-) _______________________________________________ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel