Thanks, that makes things clearer.
This is definitely what I suggested. The "outer" slur is not a tie but a 
phrasing slur  and the inner one a slur indicating the bowing.

Urs

Am 21. November 2015 19:58:35 MEZ, schrieb Steve Lacy <sl...@slacy.com>:
>FYI for the background, this is from the Violin part of a Sibelius
>piece
>that I'm re-engraving a section for a friend.  Here's what I'm trying
>to
>replicate:
>
>[image: Inline image 1]
>
>http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/2/21/IMSLP48762-PMLP06043-Sibelius-Finlandia.Violin1.pdf
>
>Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll just drop the tie and use slurs +
>phrasing slurs.
>
>On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 9:58 AM, tisimst <tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Urs Liska [via Lilypond] <[hidden
>email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=183908&i=0>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.11.2015 um 18:18 schrieb Steve Lacy:
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on avoiding these clashes without having to manually
>tweak
>>> all the slurs?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, writing semantically correct notes, like this:
>>>
>>> c''2 \( ( b'4 )  c''4 \)
>>>
>>> I can't think of an instrument or musical style where your input
>makes
>>> sense.
>>>
>>> If that note should really be tied (i.e. a held note) then you'd
>need two
>>> separate voices, like
>>>
>>> {
>>>   \new Staff  <<
>>>     {
>>>       \voiceOne
>>>       c''2. ~ c''4
>>>     }
>>>     \new Voice {
>>>       \voiceTwo
>>>       c''2 ( b'4 )
>>>     }
>>>   >>
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>> +1!
>>
>> I've played songs on the piano that have this feel, but I agree that
>> something like this should most likely done with multiple voices (and
>> LilyPond handles it much better anyway).
>>
>> If this *is* necessary, do you really have *that many* instances
>where a
>> manual direction tweak is prohibitive, like the following:
>>
>> \score{
>>   {
>>     \set tieWaitForNote = ##t
>>   c''2 _( ~ b'4 )  c''4
>>     c''2  ~ b'4 _(  c''4 )
>>   }
>>   \layout{}
>> }
>>
>> If so, I'd definitely go with separate voices.
>>
>> Best,
>> Abraham
>>
>>
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