Here is an MWE showing my problem.

What I don’t understand is why and extra ‘_2’ is needed in lyricsManual to 
obtain the same alignment as in the two automatic cases.
The snippet comes from Rameau’s Les Indes Galantes.

Thanks for your help!

JM



%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

\version "2.19.83"


music = \relative c'' {
  fis2 fis4 fis8 gis | % 40
  ais!8 [ gis fis gis ] ais [ b cis d ] ( | % 41
  e2 ) e4 d8 cis | % 42
  d2 b8 cis d e | % 43
  \break | % 44
}

lyricsManual = \lyricmode {
  "mats!"2

  "Et"4 "tu"8 "ré"8 -- "pands"8 __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _2 %%%% HERE
  "dans"4 "nos"8 "cli" -- "mats"2
  "Ta"8 "plus"8 "é" -- "cla"8
}

lyricsAutomatic = \lyricmode {
  "mats!"2

  "Et"4 "tu"8 "ré"8 -- "pands"8 __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ %%%% HERE
  "dans"4 "nos"8 "cli" -- "mats"2
  "Ta"8 "plus"8 "é" -- "cla"8
}

lyricsAutomaticSimpler = \lyricmode {
  mats!

  Et tu ré -- pands __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ %%%% HERE
  dans nos cli -- mats
  Ta plus é -- cla
}

<<
  \new Staff = "Part_PFour_Staff_One"
  <<
    \context Voice = "Part_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" <<
      \music
    >>

    \new Lyrics
    \with {
      associatedVoice = "Part_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One"
    }
    \lyricsManual
  >>
>>

<<
  \new Staff = "Part_PFour_Staff_One"
  <<
    \context Voice = "Part_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" <<
      \music
    >>

    \new Lyrics {
      \lyricsto "Part_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" {
        \lyricsAutomatic
      }
    }
  >>
>>

<<
  \new Staff = "Part_PFour_Staff_One"
  <<
    \context Voice = "Part_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" <<
      \music
    >>

    \new Lyrics {
      \lyricsto "Part_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" {
        \lyricsAutomaticSimpler
      }
    }
  >>
>>

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


> Le 26 août 2019 à 20:36, Simon Albrecht <simon.albre...@mail.de> a écrit :
> 
> Hi Jacques,
> 
> this doesn’t exactly answer your question, but I’ve always found that manual 
> alignment of lyrics is a huge pain to get working and thus never use it…
> 
> Best, Simon
> 
> On 26.08.19 17:39, Jacques Menu wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>> 
>> The more I read this chapter, and the more I feel it is a kind of imbroglio, 
>> mixing automatic and manual alignment of lyrics to the voice.
>> 
>> Do you also feel this would merit a rewrite?
>> 
>> JM
>> 
>> 
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