Hello-
Jean, I think you clarified a few things. 1] I don't need online
connection, 2] that the Fresco button is merely a GUI, 3] you thought I
was using a terminal which I am not so during the ongoing-forever
attempt there was no error/message it just ran, 4] Fresco does update
individual files to newest version but it does not change the
format/layout that i am familiar with in 2.18 which is very confusing as
all the latest examples of ly questions are totally foreign to me.
This is the part that where you ask if documentation should be clearer
is a problem.
The changes of where information goes after 2.18 made/make little sense
to me as the 2.18 ways worked for a very long time and to change them
without any ability to understand the why of the change (sometimes that
explanation was 'better coding' but since I am not a coder doesn't mean
anything/is not an explanation that tells me the how or why; and perhaps
means I am not to understand) and after years of using lily it felt like
I was going to have to start completely over.
Since 2.18 worked fine starting over seemed/seems not an option. I like
many am a working composer. The time I spent learning (still learning)
how to use the program to do what I wanted to do took a few years and as
I say I am still learning to do it with the older version. To get work
done after the pencil work at an instrument it always was more efficient
to stay with what I knew, that worked, than to spend time unproductively
relearning for the same result.
I am going on too long but most of the questions I read about are very
very technical and not in my range of needs. So again the urge to
change is diminished.
Thank you for clarifying the online not online question, I am fearful
since I will be using the new version that I will not understand the why
or even the how to layout lily that I will be back with absurdly simple
questions but also hope this will not be the case.
thanks
Jay
On 2021-08-01 10:28, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Hello Jay,
Sorry for the previous message, obviously sent
by accident!
Le 01/08/2021 à 18:10, jh a écrit :
A while back David K kept on trying to get me to update beyond 2.18.2
even though I said I'd failed a number of times and that many of the
changes between these versions seem opaque to me.
Well, what changes between 2.18 and 2.22 seem
opaque to you? If some entries in the Changes
document are not understandable by users, that
should be fixed.
My main text editor has developed a major crash where it freezes
everything and the creator is unable to fix it.
I have rarely used Frescobaldi because generally everything has worked
but when stymied it has helped in the past to find my mistake.
So I decided to default to it. Noticed that it has a convert ly tool
tried it.
Do note that the convert-ly tool is provided
by LilyPond and thus dependent on the version
of LilyPond. Frescobaldi merely gives you a
GUI button to run it. You could also run it
using the command line. The Application Usage
manual explains how to do this.
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/usage/invoking-convert_002dly
This machine is generally not online; the convert tool ran for 4 hours
and nothing changed. I gave in and went online and the tool does
work.
1] it seems that this will not work if unconnected to the internet.
My notation win10 is not connected for various reasons and just as I
have had issues with updating versions to lily I have even connected
to the internet am unable to update win10 which is fine- sort of.
but
2] if convert ly requires internet connection I'm kind of stuck
because win10 did not allow (or didn't tell me how to have two
versions of lily on my machine. So I downloaded the current version
uninstalled 2.18 and installed the current version 22.something.
so
Must I be online in order to access my thousand of pieces (my
compositions) written in everything from 1.? and 2.18? to get this to
work or is there more than another way?
convert-ly ships with LilyPond with all conversion rules
built in and does not access the Net in any way. The
problem must be elsewhere.
When you say that convert-ly hung, what did it print on
the command line?
I'm kind of hoping this is the right place to ask this as it is
connected to Frescobaldi but seems to me to be a lily question.
Yes, it is the right place.
Best regards,
Jean
