On 7/13/25 23:44, Michael Gerdau wrote:
Am 13. Juli 2025 22:06:03 MESZ schrieb Alexander Brock
<[email protected]>:
I'm setting "Credo II" from the Gregorian chant in modern notation so everyone
in the congregation can sing along easily.
I see that argument. However if you're serious about gregorian chants, use
gregorio.
I'm using the Graduale Novum for myself and the experienced singers, but
I have to provide something legible to everyone.
Is this possible?
And more importantly: Is it a good idea or should I just let Lilypond do what
it wants?
When you don't care about the midi output you could modify the spacing by
changing the length of the notes. Multiply them with rational fractions like
*1/2 or *3/4 or *5/7 or whatever seems appropriate to shorten the distance.
Similar to lengthen it. It requires a bit of trail and error but you'll get a
spacing closer to what you would have in a proper gregorian chant.
Thank you, I did that and got a result I like better.
I attached it in case anyone else needs the Credo II :-)
Best Regards,
Alexander
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\header {
title = "Credo II"
composer = "XIII. s."
footer = ""
tagline = ""
}
global = {
\time 4/4
\key f \major
}
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\global
\cadenzaOn
\omit Stem
\omit Flag
\omit Dots
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words = \lyricmode {
\override LyricHyphen.minimum-length = 0.7
%\override LyricHyphen.minimum-distance = 0
Cre -- do in u -- num De -- um,
Pa -- trem om -- ni -- po -- ten -- tem,
fac -- to -- rem cae -- li et ter -- rae,
vi -- si -- bi -- li -- um om -- ni -- um, et in -- vi -- si -- bi -- li -- um.
Et in u -- num Do -- mi -- num Je -- sum Chris -- tum, Fi -- li -- um De -- i u -- ni -- ge -- ni -- tum.
Et ex Pa -- tre na -- tum an -- te om -- ni -- a sae -- cu -- la.
De -- um de De -- o, lu -- men de lu -- mi -- ne, De -- um ve -- rum de De -- o ver -- ro.
Ge -- ni -- tum, non fac -- tum, con -- sub -- stan -- ti -- a -- lem Pa -- tri:
per quem om -- ni -- a fac -- ta sunt.
Qui prop -- ter nos ho -- mi -- nes, et prop -- ter no -- stram sa -- lu -- tem
de -- scen -- dit de cae -- lis.
Et in -- car -- na -- tus est de Spi -- ri -- tu Sanc -- to ex Ma -- ri -- a Vir -- gi -- ne:
Et ho -- mo fac -- tus est.
Cru -- ci -- fi -- xus e -- ti -- am pro -- no -- bis:
sub Pon -- ti -- o Pi -- la -- to pas -- sus, et se -- pul -- tus est.
Et re -- sur -- re -- xit ter -- ti -- a di -- e, se -- cun -- dum Scrip -- tu -- ras.
Et a -- scen -- dit in cae -- lum:
se -- det ad dex -- te -- ram Pa -- tris.
Et i -- te -- rum ven -- tu -- rus est cum glo -- ri -- a,
ju -- di -- ca -- re vi -- vos et mor -- tu -- os:
cu -- jus re -- gni non e -- rit fi -- nis.
Et in Spi -- ri -- tum Sanc -- tum, Do -- mi -- num, et vi -- vi -- fi -- can -- tem:
qui ex Pa -- tre Fi -- li -- o -- que pro -- ce -- dit.
Qui cum Pa -- tre et Fi -- li -- o si -- mul a -- do -- ra -- tur, et cong -- lo -- ri fi -- ca -- tur:
qui lo -- cu -- tus est per Pro -- phe -- tas.
Et u -- nam sanc -- tam ca -- tho -- li -- cam et a -- pos -- to -- li -- cam Ec -- cle -- si -- am.
Con -- fi -- te -- or u -- num bap -- tis -- ma in re -- mis -- si -- o -- nem pec -- ca -- to -- rum.
Et ex -- spec -- to re -- sur -- rec -- ti -- o -- nem mor -- tu -- o -- rum.
Et vi -- tam ven -- tu -- ri sae -- cu -- li.
A -- men.
}
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\score {
<<
\new Staff { \transpose c d { \melody} }
\addlyrics { \words }
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Score
%\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
\override SpacingSpanner.common-shortest-duration =
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