Hi, a couple of thoughts:
2013/12/4 Francisco Vila <paconet....@gmail.com>: > I find this path tortuous. People double-click > the lilypond icon, and don't see this shell as many of them could > expect. Instead, ugly things happen. Therefore, lilypond is ugly. I > think this summarizes the start and the end of a newcomer's > experience. AMEN. Francisco nailed it on the head. Such things may seem small, but they make all the difference, and the biggest companies (like Apple) know about this. First impression, elegance, simplicity, intuitiveness, etc. are very important. Currently LilyPond's first impression (via LilyPad) is that it's a second-rate program, looking as if it was written by a student in a garage during the last holidays. And it may seem that Lily is free because it's not good enough to be worth any money. Seriously, i think that's the impression we're currently making. While i'm sure that the people who created LilyPad had good intentions, i really believe that LilyPad doesn't make sense (please don't get offended by this). For advanced users it's dramatically underfeatured, while for newbies it's still not making things clear enough. And - at least the last time i checked - it lacks most text editing tools, like syntax highlighting. Only Windows notepad.exe has less features i think. David may be right that it'd be easier to integrate LilyPond into Frescobaldi's installer than the other way round. Or maybe there won't be an easy way to have an installer that actually installs everything - but maybe it would be enough if it downloaded other program setup files and ran them? Anyway, what about something like this: a "higher-level" installer that installs LilyPond and lets user choose what editing program he wants to use: "LilyPond files can be edited using different programs. Pleasse choose what to install additionally: * Denemo (has a GUI but it cannot open lilypond files created with other programs) * Frescobaldi (gives you more control, but doesn't have a GUI) * I'm a computer wizard, and I'll use my own EMACS/vim/Notepad++" This way we avoid the problem of favoring one editor over the other. I believe that the most important thing is just to have a powerful editor installed with LilyPond so that people get the most of LilyPond right away. best, Janek _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
