Hi Alex, > Could you give an example?
I don’t have time right now — under a serious “get it out the door” engraving crunch. However, I’m running into the issue right now, and it’s killing my productivity. I’ve got the following structure for my score: << \new TextLine << \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_global \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_script_short >> \new ScoreMarks \with { \consists #Measure_counter_engraver } \keepWithTag #'(marks-only) \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_global \new VocalGroup \with { \remove "System_start_delimiter_engraver" } << \new VocalStaff << \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_global \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_Jill_notes >> \addlyrics \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_Jill_lyrics \new ChoirStaff << \new LyricsAbove = "Lyrics_chorusD" \new ChoralStaff << \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_global \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chorusCNotes >> \addlyrics \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chorusCLyrics \new ChoralStaff << \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_global \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chorusANotes >> \addlyrics \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chorusALyrics \new LyricsAbove = "Lyrics_chorusE" \new ChoralStaff << \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_global \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chorusBNotes >> \addlyrics \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chorusBLyrics \context LyricsAbove = "Lyrics_chorusD" \lyricsto "Voice_chorusD" \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chorusDLyrics \context LyricsAbove = "Lyrics_chorusE" \lyricsto "Voice_chorusE" \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chorusELyrics >> >> \new PianoStaff << \new PianoSingleStaffUpper = "Staff_piano_upper" << \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_global \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_piano_notes_upper >> \new PianoDynamics = "Dynamics_piano" \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_piano_dynamics \new PianoChords = "Chords_piano" \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_chords \new PianoSingleStaffLower = "Staff_piano_lower" << \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_global \FTE_FairyTaleEnding_piano_notes_lower >> >> >> (Some of these are obviously custom contexts.) I want to maintain a minimum amount of space between the VocalGroup (including any Lyrics contexts which are alive at the bottom) and the PianoStaff. However, staffgroup-staff-spacing behaves differently depending on whether there are lyrics below the last contained Staff (cf. <http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/internals/staffgrouper>: "The spacing alist controlling the distance between the last staff of the current staff-group and the staff just below it in the same system, even if one or more non-staff lines exist between the two staves.”) What I want is to set PianoStaff.VerticalAxisGroup.StaffGrouper.spacing-above.padding = #4 [or whatever], so that there is always at least a certain amount of space above the PianoStaff, regardless of whether the context above is a staff or a nonstaff. The same thing would apply to my TextLine (i.e., my original post/request): I want it to add EXTRA space/padding “above itself”, so that a system with a TextLine at the top is farther away from the system above it than a system without a TextLine would be. Unfortunately [AFAIK], all of the spacing parameters modify the “below” space… Even then, not all of them work intuitively — again, it would be far better [IMO] if the entire StaffGrouper (including all staff and non-staff lines) “counted” for spacing purposes. Make sense? Thanks, Kieren. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user