Thanks for the swift and helpful response ... 1. you are right that '6 add9' and 'add6 add 9' are indeed equivalent - I was looking at the wrong entry in the table in the Notation Reference.
2. Having looked further, I do think that some chords are generating incorrect chord names (but correct notes): C:sus prints as C, C:2 as Csus2, C:3 as C and C:4 as C4sus4add3 Could I ask you to please run the attached snippet to check my findings ? (I am running 2.19.3) thanks, Gerry On 25 March 2014 00:50, Flaming Hakama by Elaine <ela...@flaminghakama.com>wrote: > Gerry, > > > I'm a clarinettist - we are not supposed to do chords, so please forgive > me > > if these are idiot questions .... > > As a clarinettist, I feel compelled to assert that we have the capacity to > do chords just fine. I hope you are getting more comfortable with it. > > > > > 1. the superscript modifier 6/9 is (from a google search) equivalent to > > 'add6 add9'. Yet lily puts it into the score as '6 add9' which is surely > > not the same thing at all ? > > Actually, I think that these are the same, meaning the chord made up of > scale degrees 1 3 5 6 9. > > One thing to realize is that the way that lilypond prints chord symbols is > different from how it represents chords interally. In this case, you can > modify lilypond to print "add6 add9" for this type of chord if you want. > > In terms of theory, the notion of "add" comes into play when the numbers > get beyond 7, since by convention (both in general musical practice, and in > lilypond) anything above or including an unmodified 7 implies that a > dominant 7th is in the chord. > > So, for any number less than 7, you can just write that degree after the > chord root name, since you don't have to worry about what someone might do > with the 7th, because you have not gone that high. You can make the case > that "add 6" is too verbose and perhaps confusing, since "6" gets the point > across, and the "add" could make you think for a moment that the extension > is actually higher than a 7th, which it is not. (unless, of course, you > really mean 13). This is probably why the default lilypond chord symbol is > "6 add9" rather than "add6 add9". > > > > 2. the 'sus' modifier should be followed by '2' or '4' and if lily finds > > sus on its own it just puts out the basic triad. But some scores include > > all three forms - triad, sus and sus4 implying that they are different. > > Shouldn't the unmodified sus generate just the first and fifth ? > > (specifying ^3 also seems to generate the full triad). > > Suspended "chords" are an area where I think there is less general > agreement (in musical practice) about what they mean. > > My general understanding about musical practice is that "sus" simply means > "there is no 3rd in this 'chord'". The most typical implication is that > you are sounding the 4th instead of the 3rd, meaning scale degrees 1 4 5. > > However, like many things about the way lilypond represents chords, it is > a balance between being unambiguous versus following some flavor of common > usage. And in lilypond, the unambiguous often wins out. In this case, > lilypond makes you specify what note is taking the place of the 3rd. > > Not sure I understand why the default behavior of specifying sus without > another scale degree gives you a triad (it is certainly not based on > typical musical interpretation of sus chords), but again, you have to > realize that the chord input syntax is lilypond-specific and different than > the dialect of printed chord symbols. > > Not quite sure what you mean by scores that have chord symbols that say > "triad". Never seen that before. In fact, until coming across lilypond, I > have never seen anyone write a "sus 2" chord. Just because you have seen > something in a score--especially chord changes--doesn't mean that it is > normal, accepted and well-understood. It could just be inconsistent. In > any case, I would assume that both the "sus" and "sus4" mean the same thing. > > > I hope this helps, > > David Elaine Alt > 415 . 341 .4954 "*Confusion is > highly underrated*" > ela...@flaminghakama.com > skype: flaming_hakama > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >
%% Generated by lilypond-book.py %% Options: [exampleindent=10.16\mm,indent=0\mm,line-width=160\mm,quote,ragged-right] \include "lilypond-book-preamble.ly" % **************************************************************** % Start cut-&-pastable-section % **************************************************************** \paper { indent = 0\mm line-width = 160\mm % offset the left padding, also add 1mm as lilypond creates cropped % images with a little space on the right line-width = #(- line-width (* mm 3.000000) (* mm 1)) line-width = 160\mm - 2.0 * 10.16\mm % offset the left padding, also add 1mm as lilypond creates cropped % images with a little space on the right line-width = #(- line-width (* mm 3.000000) (* mm 1)) ragged-right = ##t } duffChords = \chordmode { c1:sus c:2 c:3 c:4 } Chords = \new ChordNames \chordmode { \set additionalPitchPrefix = #"add" \transpose c c, { \duffChords }} \score { << << \new StaffGroup << \chordmode { \Chords } \chordmode { \duffChords } >> >> >> \layout { } } % **************************************************************** % end ly snippet % ****************************************************************
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