Woah Dude, defend that fair maiden, pistols at dawn lol No offence was meant, I didn't realise the difference between compiled and no compiled was as big as 95% (or whatever.)
I don't think anyone can argue that there's a better tool to do what Director does. But that's not to say that we shouldn't always hope that it doesn't get better and more efficient in ALL areas. We can't rely on increasing computing power forever. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald Woodland Sent: 06 January 2005 17:41 To: Lingo programming discussion list Subject: Re: <lingo-l> Lingo repeat loop versus other languages Do you think the development team for Director is doing this on purpose? Give me a break. Director may have faults and even some bugs ...after 10 versions, too. The people at Macromedia should continue doing everything they can to build a better product. But I enjoy the product as it is and I will enjoy the next version even more ...and with appreciation for their efforts to improve it. I have used Director since version 3. It is a wonderful development environment for people like me who don't want to become codeheads, who look at the art and the design first, and then enjoy the ability to give it life. Because of Director, I have learned about OOP structures and I use them in my code and I am more efficient as a result. Even though I'm used to the old ways, I even use dot syntax constructs. I don't think I would have been able to do these things in C++ without a lot of formal training in programming. So what if Lingo is 95 times less efficient than C++ (if we are to accept the benchmarks submitted so far)? If you need that kind of speed, use C++. For me, Director and Lingo works and it works very well. Thank you for a great software tool that gives me a lot of pleasure to use. ------------------------------------------------- Ronald Woodland -- St. George, Utah 84770 ------------------------------------------------- This email is a natural human product. 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On Jan 6, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Tim Welford wrote: So, after more than 10 versions, does anybody have any idea why the backend is still so inefficient? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valentin Schmidt Sent: 06 January 2005 13:13 To: Lingo programming discussion list Subject: Re: <lingo-l> Lingo repeat loop versus other languages I had already tested this as well, changes the ratio a bit, but no big difference, in lingo I get 22700 ms (instead of 27000), in c it's the same as before (arround 240 ms), so the ratio is then 95:1 Valentin Mark Whybird wrote: > What if you leave out the j=1? > > (i.e., just test an empty repeat loop) > > The test given could equally be proving only that the command "j=1" is > 100 times slower in lingo than VC++. > > I expect the real answer is somewhere in between. > > On my machine: (DMX04) > > -- "With j=1: 14923" > -- "Without j=1: 10614" > > but I don't have C++ to test how that goes without anything actually > happening in the loop. A guess at extrapolation from your figures and > mine would suggest lingo is about 60 or 70 times slower (which is > still lots slower, as you would expect). > > -- Mark Whybird > > my code: > > on dotests > > ms0 = the milliseconds > repeat with i = 1 to 100000000 > j=1 > end repeat > ms1 = the milliseconds > put "With j=1: " & (ms1-ms0) > > ms0 = the milliseconds > repeat with i = 1 to 100000000 > end repeat > ms1 = the milliseconds > put "Without j=1: " & (ms1-ms0) > > end dotests > > > > > > Valentin Schmidt wrote: > >> A) Lingo (DMX) >> ms0 = the milliseconds >> repeat with i = 1 to 100000000 >> j=1 >> end repeat >> ms1 = the milliseconds >> put (ms1-ms0) >> >> -- 26917 >> >> B) VC++ 6.0, console app >> ... >> _ftime( &tstruct0 ); >> for (i=0; i<100000000; i++) j=1; >> _ftime( &tstruct1 ); >> ... >> >> --> 240 (milliseconds) >> >> >> So a ratio of about 100:1 on my computer. >> >> Valentin >> >> >> >> Pedja wrote: >> >> >>> I don't know if I've asked this before (sorry if I have) >>> >>> Just out of curiosity does anyone know is there any speed difference >>> between Lingo's repeat loop and a repeat loop in some other >>> languages (C++,Java..etc) >>> >>> I know it all depends on what's inside the loop but theoretically if >>> it's just a simple 1+1 is it the same? >>> >>> Cheerio >>> >>> Pedja >>> >>> >>> [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go >>> to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the >>> list, email lingo-l@penworks.com (Problems, email >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]). 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