On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:21:43 -0500, Steve Gentry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The writer made the comment that :
><snip>
>
>
>Well, IBM (NYSE: IBM - news) mainframes as old as the original System 370, which 
>debuted in 1970, had
>the ability to create what are called virtual machines, which allow one
>version of the operating system to keep running while a kind of duplicate
>copy running on the same physical machine is upgraded. Once a fix is made
>to code, the patched version of the OS can be swapped into place for the
>running version, all without taking down the system.
>
></snip>
>
>Further . . .
>
>"Once a fix is made to the code, the patched version of the OS can be
>swapped into place . . . without taking down the system"
>
>I've been a sys.prog. for about 20 years, 15 of those in VM and I don't
>know of any feature that will let a sys prog do this!  If so, I've spent a
>lot of late nights and weekends upgradeing when I could have done it
>during the week. In reality, no you do not have to power the box off, but
>you do have to cycle VM or VSE.  I'm not sure about z/OS, but since the
>author mentions "virtual machines" aka VM, in my opinion he is wrong.  Now
>don't misunderstand me, I'm for VM getting all the "accurate" press it can
>get.  However, if some unknowing decision maker takes this and runs with
>it, VM could be set up for some bad press.  As I understand the article,
>he is trying to imply that VM never has to be taken down, cycled, IPL'd,
>booted, what ever term you want to use, to bring new OS code in.  I should
>mentioned one exception that I know of.  VSE had/has a mechanism to bring
>patched code in.  I don't remember the exact process anymore, but it was
>used in emergency situations only.  I would never apply a list of PTF's to
>VSE and bring it on line via this method. VM may have a similar function.
>If so I've never used it.  Heck, VM hardly ever breaks. (my plug for VM).
>But in this case, the method of bring in patched code is not unique to VM.
>Sort of off thread.  At one site I worked at, me and another sys.prog
>convinced the Op. Manager that we had done a "Shadow IPL", i.e, bring new
>OS code, more than one module, into use while the machine was still
>running.  He believed us for about 5 minutes.
>Steve G

A couple of times I patched a VM system using STCP commands... <grin>

john alvord

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