As my understanding was, these were not VM minidisks, but real dasd, as I
used OS/390 in LPAR mode to restore them.  I can ask the DR people what
they ended up with, hell I'll even ship them a tape and if they're willing
to try to do this again, under the table.

The big thing is that we, ourselves, are not a VM shop. I elected to use
the DR vendors VM license because they let us. It theoretically solves
certain problems for us. I have no VM experience at all, personally.
Actually the extent of my VM experience is 'i b217' from a cp read prompt.

I'm just trying to determine what exactly I missed.

Can dd see 'cyl 0' from within linux? That's a good point #1 to start with.



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Are these minidisks defined as FULL volume (cyl 0-end) or do you start the
linux minidisk at cylinder 1?

I have my linux minidisks starting at cylinder 1 (being a longtime VM
person, the label and allocation bitmap are stored on real cylinder zero).
So when I have our OS/390 system  use DFDSS to backup/restore the linux
volumes, I actually have them access a FULL volume definition of the same
volume that is owned by a placeholder user (VMDASD). All VM related DASD in
my shop are defined as FULL volumes for this user.

/Thomas Kern
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:51
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> Subject: CDL backup via DFSMSdss
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> Apparantly dfdss backup does not copy cylinder 0 when doing a
> volume backup
> of the tracks in a linux volume?
>
> I attempted to backup my quiesced linux dasd and restore it
> at the disaster
> recovery site  using VM. The first problem I ran into is that my 'so
> called' 3390-9's are about 1408 tracks too large for a standard mod 9
> volume, so I couldn't restore to the mod 9's provided by the
> DR vendor.
>
> They got creative and put some 27 GB (mod 27?) in an address
> range we were
> not using and I restored to those.  We then mapped the real
> disk addresses
> to the expected disk addresses in VM and attempted to IPL.
> That's when the
> DR staff in new jersey determined cyl 0 was empty on the IPL volume.
>
> I am wondering what happened, what got missed, etc. Was it
> the mod-27's the
> killed me? Did it not put the info at the beginning of the volume?
>

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