A lot of the cost is One Time charges. For us the cost averaged about $65,000 per year over 3 years. For some management types you have to average it. We don't run WAS or DB2. We do run Oracle but have an enterprise license. So no cost counted in there. The licensing is good for the midtier server folks but makes it harder for us to show real savings. Still possible but harder. We don't have ISPF or VM/DFSMS either. -----Original Message----- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: z/Linux actual costs
On 10/19/05, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw this the other day over on the IBM-MAIN list...thought so folks > here might like to read it......... > > I would like to relay what is real concerning zLinux costs and what is > theory or conjecture. I run a z/900-101 with one IFL along with my z/900- > 101 and z/900-102 in a Parallel Sysplex. > > First it makes no sense to bring up just 1-2 zLinux instances on an > Enterprise Server. To make it cost effective, I figure it is around > 20-30 and cheaper if there is more. So that lets out just using LPARs > without z/VM. With z/VM V5,it is cheap. Here is the breakdown: > > 1. z/VM - $19K one time & about $5K Support & Subscription (S&S). > 2. SuSe Linux - $16K one time. is this per Linux guest or for the shop? I don't recall paying this. > 3. SuSe Linux e-Maintenance - $13K yearly. this comes from Novell and > entitles me to patches and upgrades all done from a web site. No phone > calls. > 4. IBM zLinux Support - $20K yearly. I wanted the same support as I get from > IBM for z/OS and with this if I have a problem, IBM will create the > patch immediately and then go staff it through the OPEN Source Community. Why have 3 and 4, shouldn't 4 cover for 3? that is what we have done. > 5. z/VM Assembler - go it free off the Internet. Can buy one from Dignis > for about $5K I am told. > 6. I wanted a z/VM & Linux monitor, bought ESALPS from Velocity Software > for $30K. is this license per CPU? > 7. IBM tells you for z/VM's DFSMS/VM you need ISPF/VM for $25K (was > ($50K) and it is not true for cheaper DIRMAINT ($1K S&S) provides same > functions. > 8. I needed to buy RACF/VM to satisfy Auditors even though I only have > three VM users (SYSPROG). It was around $12K & .($2K S&S). > 9. Firewalls can be done with free IPTABLES or multiple IPLTABLES (defense > in depth). > 10. WAS for zLINUX is $25K and then about $4K S&S. > 11. DB2 was about $25K and S&S is also about $4K. > 12. Tivoli/TAMS can be licensed by user so it depends, not that > outrageous. > 13. The IFL engine for me was $120K but I am told it is now $80K and > I know sites where IBM gave you one for free. to us it was more like $90k for the first one. > 14. zAAP engines are only for z/OS and not available for z/VM or zLinux. > 15. I used to train MVS'ers and z/VM troops. Today IBM has a free class > for 3 days for z/VM & SuSe Linux install. My z/OS bigots attended and > in no time they are doing enough z/VM to maintain it. > > > Ok, I run a z/VM LPAR for Production with many Virtual Linux Servers. > I am up to about 32 Virtual Servers and to do web serving, DB2 with IFL > running about 10%. So it leaves me room to bring up more. > > I am looking to transfer a Windows $40K Oracle license to the IFL. Oracle > charges $40K for an engine. So you can do porting for free on any platform > and only need the license when it goes production. So if we port the > application to zLinux, the production license comes too. Now once I have > the license, the next port means I can terminate a $40K license on > Windows. More likely I will just bring up more Oracle's on the zLinux > using the one (1) license I will have. What'a deal. The same goes for > DB2, I can run many at the same price. > > Then there is nothing too shabby about running Virtual Routers and > Virtual Switches under z/VM (free). The network group casting a dim > eye wanting to see something physical.I can talk amongst them using > Hypersockets or a memory to memory transfer. > > I run an LPAR Test & Development LPAR with all the zLinux virtual > machines. > > My SYSPROGs wanted a SYSPROG LPAR for new z/VM's although the learned > about z/VM 2nd level. WOW. > > Is it dirt-cheap, no. Is it cheaper, yes. > > Jim Marshall > > -- > DJ > V/Soft Software > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > In our case, just the savings in Oracle by moving from Sun and AIX plus some savings from zOS (moved some work over saving $300k in zOS licenses) more than compensated for the new costs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ************************************************************************* This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. 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