Amazingly,a consistent story. The same has happened here as we are going
from an IBM environment to a SUN Solaris and/or Windows environment to
run our ERP system(s).
Dodds, Jim wrote:
Good luck with that. My management here too is going to throw out the
mainframe. We (IT) were establishing working relationships with Marist, IBM,
and the ERP vendor to get our new university ERP system to run under z/Linux
but upper management caught wind of it and made us stop. Marist I assume is
going on with the project to move their university ERP system (which will be
the same as ours) to z/Linux. So now we are planning on spending close to
$200,000 on Dell hardware and Microsoft server software. This doesn't include
the licenses for the Oracle software.
Jim Dodds
Systems Programmer
Kentucky State University
400 East Main Street
Frankfort, Ky 40601
502 597 6114
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Erik N
Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:53 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?
It is very true, however, that you can run several LPARs with
Linux/390 on them. Also, MVS is available for free nowadays, as well
as several other major components that run on the pre-Z
360-derivatives. So although you won't be able to teach your kids VM
you CAN show them what IBM big iron can do. Have you approached
anybody with the IBM academic initiatives program? Both Marist and
Colorado have Z systems which they will provide accounts on for
students. My university (Northern Illinois University) is getting
this from Marist, as our administration have their heads on backwards.
Some Microsoft evangelist has convinced a bunch of our administrators
that our ESA/390s are dinosaurs that need to be surplussed and
replaced by a cluster of x86 boxen running peoplesoft on windows
server. It's complete garbage and it means they're going to tell IBM
(who was going to give us a brand new z10 bc next year) to get
stuffed.
Does anybody know where I could point out to my administration what a
HUGE mistake they are making? Our curriculum has been based around
the IBM mainframe for half a century! I can only imagine having been
forced to learn x86 assembler... *shudder*. When did people forget
that IBM > Intel?!?!
Erik Johnson
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Summerfield
<deb...@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
Andrew Wiley wrote:
Andrew,
Unless you already have a release of VM on this hardware, you can't get
a VM that will run on this hardware anymore. So you are pretty much out
of luck.
IBM does have an academic initiative which provides incentives for
higher education on System z:
Well, this is a high school computer science course, so we don't have
much budget and, quite frankly, we aren't a priority in... anything.
However, the machine I'm investigating is being offered by a local
business that's decommissioning it, and I can ask if they plan to
include VM.
Assuming they do, could the machine be useful? It wouldn't be used
under high load; it would be hosting student projects.
It's 31-bit, so recent SLES and RHEL don't run on it because those are
64-bit. Debian probably does, and Slack might.
This might be a time when, depending on just what you want, a nice HP
DC5850[1] (desktop PC) might win out. They're 64-bit (we have AMD
processors in ours), they support 8 Gbytes of RAM, run the latest Fedora
and openSUSE, and you can use virtualisation.
It's not a mainframe by any means, but finding someone who knows the
software is pretty simple (no VM gurus needed), and it's a setup the
kids can replicate at home if they wish (and can afford a newish pc).
If you particularly want to run Linux/390, that's possible too. Just
install Hercules - it's probably in the software repo.
1 I mention this just because I have personal knowledge of them.
Probably, other vendors have something equivalent. One of the things I
like about these is the diagnostics DVD. It boots Linux, so I figured
the chances of running recent Linux is probably feasible. It is, unlike
the DC7700 when new.
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John
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