No, they did, They negotiated x86 so low that the IFL pricing became a moot point Oracle on x86 is an enterprise license for example, we pay same price for all platforms Same for IBM products etc.
They did too good a job is the problem William 'Doug' Carroll Mainframe Systems Eng Sr I Global Technology Infrastructure -----Original Message----- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:18 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb So your contract negotiations people need to be educated on how to negotiate a much lower ELA? William D Carroll wrote: > Again > ELA, that's licensing per core depending on your ELA can change. > again, depending on company and size. WAS for us was a moot point as > was Oracle, DB2 etc.. no software advantage > > just stating it's not a blanket thing > > William 'Doug' Carroll > Mainframe Systems Eng Sr I > Global Technology Infrastructure > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > Agblad Tore > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:21 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb > > Thank's, Yes they know, and are involved. > The win is due to pricing often is per CPU/Core. > > Both SLES and WAS are licensed per CPU/core. > We need one license per IFL > and they also need one license per cpu/core in blades. > There are at least two cpus in each nowadays, so 200 servers usually > means about 400 licenses compared to one or two for one or two IFLs:s. > The pricetag differs yes, but far from that much. > > ___________________________________________ > Tore Agblad > Volvo Information Technology > Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development, Linux servers Dept 4352 > DA1S > SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden > > Telephone: +46-31-3233569 > E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com > > http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > William D Carroll > Sent: den 22 juni 2009 15:42 > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb > > FYI > Your company ELAs may have a impact on this so be aware. > Be sure you get you Licensing folks involved as they know the ELA's > better than anyone. In our case Software cost became a moot point due > to ELA's and it became a HW battle. > > The size of your company and how it's ELA's are structured could > impact this tremendously. > > William 'Doug' Carroll > Mainframe Systems Eng Sr I > Global Technology Infrastructure > ECS Core Services z/Software Group / Emerging Technologies > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > Agblad Tore > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:29 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb > > You can not just take the isolated cpu-hw-cost and compare. > Also include in HWcost all maint with HW, like connecting-power-cables-boxes > and so on. > With many blades you have to keep all these switches and cables in > order. Just the simple case install a new server includes bying the > HW, carry it into the server hall (you will need authorithy which > often means you have to wait for the guy with the 'key') connect them > (is there enough power in you > diesel-backup?) add cables to a switch (which switch and who documents this) > and the installing. > There is some manhour here. > By now you probably also have a different box, not the same as the > existing ones, and you can not guarante exact same hw, maybe different > drivers for new bios/network/disks/SCSI adapters...... > Some customers requires exactly same setup for test-QA-prod, that may now be > hard to get. > Include all that and: > When you have 200 Linux servers, do the calculation, and you will se > that the z alternative will have about the same hw-cost as x86 blades. > > If you also include the license costs, the z maybe comes out as the most > cost-effective one. > > Cordialement / Vriendelijke Groeten / Best Regards / Med Vänliga Hälsningar > Tore Agblad > > Volvo Information Technology > Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development > SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden > E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com > > http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ > ________________________________________ > From: Linux on 390 Port [linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Ivan > Warren [i...@vmfacility.fr] > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 01:39 > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb > >> In my Linux Installation Planning talks, I address this briefly. Until such >> time as IFL processors cost the same as Intel processors, i.e. never, there >> will always be some point along the spectrum of workload profiles where it >> makes more sense to run a given application on midrange hardware and not the >> mainframe. With the introduction of the z10, that point has moved >> considerably, in favor of the mainframe. There is still going to be a >> substantial grey area before that point, which is why each case needs to be >> examined individually to make the correct decision. >> >> > Amen ! > > --Ivan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not > intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any > financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any > transaction. 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