​Nice..  another version of one of my favorite lines:    If you were right
I'd agree with you.

;-)

Scott Rohling​

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Rick Troth <r...@casita.net> wrote:

> We might be in agreement except for your incorrect use of the word "no".
>
>
> On 12/04/2015 08:52 PM, Alan Altmark wrote:
> >> > MVS should grow up.
> > No, ...
>
> Yes, MVS should grow up.
> But we'll consider that out of scope for this conversation.
> Okay?
>
>
> > ... Linux should obey the IBM VOL1 label standard when using ECKD
> devices,
> > just like everyone else.  In fact, if I were asked (I haven't been), I
> > would suggest that it use the CPVOLUME format.  That's one that MVS
> > already recognizes, and whose reactions Certain People are expending
> > effort to improve upon.
>
> The objection is to track-and-record behavior in support of CDL.
> I didn't hear anyone complain about VOL1, and I don't recall complaining
> about it myself.
> Reason for rant is the tricks with tracks, which only loosely links with
> labeling.
>
> AS IT HAPPENS, the CPVOLUME form of VOL1 label fits nicely at the front
> of an EXT2/3/4 filesystem.
>
>
> > Alternatively, Linux could obtain, via IBM channels, an official VOL1
> > standard version ID. E.g. one that has zeroes in the VTOC address
> > indicating no VTOC.
>
> So much the better.
>
>
> > If there were no VTOC, then a volumes could be entirely formatted with 4K
> > records.  The label is defined in the VOL1 label standard to be a
> > *minimum* of 80 bytes.  It can be 4096.  It's the VTOC that's creates the
> > problem.
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> > All of the OSes would have to recognize it since "version number" is part
> > of the standard, specifically designed for building interoperable labels.
>
> Interoperability is a good thing.
>
>
> -- R; <><
>
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