Linux-Advocacy Digest #602, Volume #25 Sun, 12 Mar 00 14:13:15 EST
Contents:
Re: Good Linux Books - Cheap (was - I need Linux for Morons ("Frank Adler")
Re: Buying Drestin Linux Was (Re: Drestin: time for you to buy UNIX for DumbAsses
(Darren Winsper)
Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux (Darren Winsper)
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers ("doc rogers")
Re: Kernels (Was: Re: BSD & Linux) (Peter da Silva)
Re: 64-Bit Linux On Intel Itanium ("2 + 2")
Re: Good Linux Books - Cheap (was - I need Linux for Morons (MaryP)
Re: Kernels (Was: Re: BSD & Linux) (Peter da Silva)
Re: Windows Network Configuratin? (Clifford R Wagner)
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers (Norman D. Megill)
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers ("doc rogers")
Re: Disproving the lies. (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Salary? (Diego Berge)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Chad Myers")
Re: Disproving the lies. ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Salary? (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: "Frank Adler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Good Linux Books - Cheap (was - I need Linux for Morons
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:24:43 +0100
Wirf mal einen Blick auf meine Seite:
www.computer-literatur.de
Grüße
Frank
--
!!! Kostenlos !!!
www.computer-literatur.de
Computer-Bücher online lesen !
Nachschlagen!
!!! Kostenlos !!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Buying Drestin Linux Was (Re: Drestin: time for you to buy UNIX for
DumbAsses
Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:23:00 GMT
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:06:08 -0500, Drestin Black
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I _have_ given it a chance but, as I wrote before, there was nothing it
> could do that I couldn't do in W2K already. I mean, if I could find even one
> single thing I need to do with Linux that I cannot do easily with W2K I
> would install it (in vmware 2) in a heartbeat. right now VMware is running
> FreeBSD for me to continue using...
What can FreeBSD do that Linux can't?
--
Darren Winsper (El Capitano) - ICQ #8899775
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
DVD boycotts. Are you doing your part?
"Microsoft is estimating that 28,000 of these [bugs] are likely to be 'real'
problems [in Windows2000]."
-http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2436920,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux
Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:23:00 GMT
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:23:47 GMT, A transfinite number of monkeys
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : 5.Netscape. If you hate Netscape, you'll hate Linux cause you have no
> : choice except KDE, a poor substitute or a text based browser, and
> : believe it or not there are folks running these. Mostly in the Linux
> : community, because that's the best they can do. Opera will be
> : out....anyday....anyday......anyday.......
> : Mozilla.....anyday.....anyday.....anyday........
>
> You're free to use a pre-release of either Opera or Mozilla *TODAY*.
Netscape 5 beta 1 isn't that far off now:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/milestones/progress-2-beta.html
--
Darren Winsper (El Capitano) - ICQ #8899775
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
DVD boycotts. Are you doing your part?
"Microsoft is estimating that 28,000 of these [bugs] are likely to be 'real'
problems [in Windows2000]."
-http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2436920,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
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From: "doc rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:26:12 -0500
You mean that you were serious and not writing comedy??
LOL!
--doc
Norman D. Megill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8a54tb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <89j21t$166$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> doc rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >LOL
> >
> >Great comedy writing.
> >
> >
> >--doc
> >
> >
> >"Norman D. Megill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:89but1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >> I provide the following in response to the notion that "Windows is easy
> >> to install".
> >
> ><snip>
> >
>
> Well, I'm glad I amused you. Do you have a point to make?
>
> BTW I was baffled by the complete lack of response to my post other than
> the above, so I looked on Deja News and it is not there! Very strange.
> Does anyone else have a problem seeing it?
>
> --Norm
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc
Subject: Re: Kernels (Was: Re: BSD & Linux)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:23:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11 Mar 2000 20:16:20 GMT,
> Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Indeed. It definitely doesn't scale. That's where BSD wins hands down.
> So, why is it that to upgrade from OpenBSD 2.5 to 2.6 I had to run
> tkdiff, read through the whole config file line by line and create a
> merged file? What a pain.
I don't know. I haven't had to do anything but copy the lines I changed the
last time. Upgrading from FreeBSD 3.2 to 3.3 then 3.4 I didn't even do that,
there wasn't anything in the new config I needed.
(hint: comments are your friends)
--
In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
`-_-' Ar rug tú barróg ar do mhactíre inniu?
'U` "The Windows Perl motto: It's just as well there's more than one
way to do it because most of them don't work." -- Simon Cozens.
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: 64-Bit Linux On Intel Itanium
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:49:17 -0500
5X3 wrote in message <89mifr$1n6a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "5X3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:89mgf7$1n6a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>>> > Windows 2000 server supports 4GB memory and 4 processors
>>>
>>> > Windows 2000 Adv. Server supports 8GB and 8 processors
>>>
>>> > Windows 2000 DC Server supporst 16GB (I believe?) and
>>> > 32 processors
>>>
>>> Now, the question must be asked at this point:
>>>
>>> Since the difference between NT workstation and NT server is a
>>> few registry lines (believe it, ive witness the switch, its
>>> hilarious), I wonder if the difference between w2k server
>>> and w2k DC server is also registry-based...
>
>> One registry tweak will make Pro appear as server (in NT 4.0,
>> it's different in Win2K) but it will not a.) function as well
>> as a fully installed server, and b.) not have any of the
>> products that ship with server. Even if you had them, it wouldn't
>> run them as well.
>
>Yes, actually it will, as proved beyond the shadow of a doubt
>by a test machine thats sitting on my desk right on top of this
>here sparc ultra-5.
>
>> Of course, you wouldn't know or care, because it fits your
>> FUD better if you generalize and make stuff up, so I won't
>> bother detailing what's different.
>
>You are incredibly stupid and should stop discussing computers this
>instant.
>
Yea, stop picking on the p0ok, who has a very fine "nick" BTW (formulas
being better "code" than legacy "names").
2 + 2
>
>
>p0ok
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MaryP)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Good Linux Books - Cheap (was - I need Linux for Morons
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:50:40 -0600
In article <8ag9bd$je8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Frank Adler"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
something useful even if you don't read German.
> Wirf mal einen Blick auf meine Seite:
(take a look at my site)
> !!! Kostenlos !!!
> www.computer-literatur.de
> Computer-Bücher online lesen !
(!!! Free !!!
www.computer-literatur.de
Read computer books on line!)
Go to the site and click the top option in purple on the left, and he
shows you a menu. Some items are in English so even if you can't read
Frank's posted message you can read his library, which is pretty
wide-ranging. How handy. MKP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc
Subject: Re: Kernels (Was: Re: BSD & Linux)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:31:16 GMT
In article <8af65e$1d1r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"config ... syntax error ... fix ... done" is a lot less annoying than "y ...
> >y ... y ... n ... n ... whoops, that should have been yes ... ^C ... make ...
> >y ... y ... y ... n ... y ...".
> Hence the appeal of menuconfig where you have curses-based access
> to just the category, then item you want to change without touching
> the others,
I don't know about you, but editing a file by following a set of menus and
never being quite sure that I explored all the branches seems like a really
clumsy alternative to just editing a plain text file in the first place.
To me, anyway.
Menus are great for twiddling things. But they shouldn't be confused with
what you're twiddling.
I occasionally tweak Netscape by editing the .js file directly.
--
In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
`-_-' Ar rug tú barróg ar do mhactíre inniu?
'U` "The Windows Perl motto: It's just as well there's more than one
way to do it because most of them don't work." -- Simon Cozens.
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From: Clifford R Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows Network Configuratin?
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:13:32 -0600
In article <mj0y4.1384$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Cliff Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Out of curiosity, is there an easy way to automate this?
> > I have a 3 line shell script to set up the IP addresses
> > for eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1
> > as well as for shutting off eth0:0 and eth0:1 (in case
> > I want to work with the virtual hosting on my NT Server
> > to test some things).
> >
> > In other words, is there a WSH command as simple as
> > ifconfig eth0:0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.xxx ?
>
> Sure.. just use ARP.exe. arp -s xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx <mac address of device>
> and then the route command to set the routings, netmask, etc..
Does this work for binding multiple IPs to a single NIC?
> > If not, then there is a slight advantage to linux IMHO.
> > Otherwise, it's a push (and the command will definitely
> > come in handy once I get my copy of W2K Server if it's
> > available).
>
> You always assume that what you want to do cannot be done.
I actually prefer to assume that there is a way to do
anything I want. The question is whether it's easy (a
pre-built command/program) or if it's difficult (I have
to roll my own solution).
-c-
--
Cliff Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Visit The Edge Zone: http://www.edge-zone.net
"Man will Occasionally stumble over the truth, but most
of the time he will pick himself up and continue on."
-- Winston Churchill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman D. Megill)
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Date: 12 Mar 2000 11:40:41 -0500
In article <8agcr1$2vs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
doc rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You mean that you were serious and not writing comedy??
>
>
>LOL!
>
>
>--doc
I still don't get your point. I posted the actual procedure one must
follow to install Windows. Having had to perform this procedure
multiple times on a single machine has wasted a lot of my time, and I
didn't find that particularly pleasant or funny. What did you find
amusing about it?
--Norm
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From: "doc rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:49:56 -0500
That wasn't the procedure for installing Windows is what is funny about it.
Had you never installed Windows before and someone was pulling your leg?
--doc
Norman D. Megill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8agha9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8agcr1$2vs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> doc rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >You mean that you were serious and not writing comedy??
> >
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >
> >--doc
>
> I still don't get your point. I posted the actual procedure one must
> follow to install Windows. Having had to perform this procedure
> multiple times on a single machine has wasted a lot of my time, and I
> didn't find that particularly pleasant or funny. What did you find
> amusing about it?
>
> --Norm
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disproving the lies.
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:02:36 GMT
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:57:14 -0500,
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Visit the dell site, signed livewire 2.2 drivers for Live cards... Dell
: didn't wanna wait... it was a good moment in teaching CL a lesson... can
: give you the link of you need it but you can find it pretty easy.
Not everyone owns a Dell... Besides, the download is over 90 MB. Over
90 MB for a *sound card* driver and some tools??? I'll wait for the
CL release, thanks.
: they didn't claim symbolic links, they claimed something much
: better/different.
Back this claim up. I read their report. What they described was
nothing more than symbolic links.
--
Jason Costomiris <><
Technologist, cryptogeek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego Berge)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:11:30 GMT
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:03:06 +0000, Paul Jakma
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>
>> You're pretty much right on. The risk of getting assaulted in the US is
>> relatively low, but a *lot* of people are robbed, usually at gun point.
>
>scary. i couldn't live in a place like that. Of course Dublin City has a
>crime problem, but mainly burglary/theft, ie non-violent.
I lived in places worse than that, you (kind of) get used -- never
underestimate human adaptability.
>Outside of dublin things are a lot better.
>
>>
>> BTW, the cops here not only carry guns, those NYPD guys use them and boy
>> do they have itchy trigger fingers
>
>so i've heard. My dad was in the states a long while ago, and he was
>driving down a highway and was lost. He saw a patrol car parked at the
>side of the road up ahead, and decided to stop and ask the friendly
>policemen for directions.
>
>So he pulls up the behind the cop car, get's out and strolls up to cop
>car and just as he got to the drivers door, the cop slammed the door
>open and pointed a gun at my dad telling him to get down slowly, etc..
>So after being frisked against the side of the cop car my dad managed to
>explain that he was just a tourist who needed directions. The cop
>apologised but explained that he had been suspicious cause in the US
>people just don't stroll up to the cops like that!!
>
>scary country....
<g> Where was that? I lived for a while in rural NE Tennesse, and
can tell you I approached a cop more than once asking for directions.
They were always helpful and relaxed, and none ever pointed a gun,
loaded or otherwise, at me.
I agree, however, that it's probably another story in those big
urban areas like LA and NYC. Cities are unhealthy places, anyway.
Regards,
Diego Berge.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:53:23 GMT
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Look, they are claiming a NT4sp6a system was evaluated as complient. That's
> right, a system. Cause, that's how it's done. Same thing with these TPC
> benchmarks. MS says: look, W2K (or SQL Server depending on who's writing the
> ad) set world record benchmarks, two of them. Are they saying the OS itself
> with NOTHING else, not even hardware, did it? Of course not, you NEED the
> hardware to run the OS and you NEED the SQL Server to run the benchmark.
> It's assumed the readers are smart enough to realize this. Same with the C2
> evaulation. Kinda hard to test JUST the OS - when the hardware itself plays
> a factor - HOWEVER, in C2 evaluation it's a VERY light accent on hardware.
> VERY light indeed. In fact, you COULD say NT has passed C2 evaluation
> without stretching the truth one iota. Cause, it's your obligation (and they
> have) to document exactly how it's done and how you too can do this. You can
> effortlessly reproduce the C2 evaluation platform yourself and use it on
> your network - MS gives you all the details.
>
> > Or do you claim that an OS, devoid of hardware, was ever C2 (or
> > better) certified? Or that it could? If so, mind sharing the
> > source?
>
> I'm sorry, can you provide ANY test of any kind, benchmark, whatever, of ANY
> OS, devoid of hardware, that did... um... anything? See how silly? OF course
> you need the hardware, and the hardware is part of the test. HOWEVER< in a
> C2 evaluation the hardware plays a very minor role, you can configure your
> off the shelf copy of NT4 with SP6a in the same manner without using the
> same hardware (using similar hardware) and it would suffice to pass.
>
> What's your point? I don't see linux with a C2 evaluation in any way shape
> or form, with or without hardware <grin>
He's just upset because NT is better at something than Linux and there is
proven, undeniable proof of it.
Even his weak arguments are ignorant because, NT4SP6a with C2 hotfix
was tested and certified on (among other machines) Compaq Proliants
6000 and 7000 in quite usable scenarios. Those servers were some of
top selling servers in 1999 and are widely used in many different
environments (banks, credit card processing houses, ATM centers) all
running NT in near-C2 configuration, if not C2 configuration.
-Chad
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disproving the lies.
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:23:35 -0600
A transfinite number of monkeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Not everyone owns a Dell... Besides, the download is over 90 MB. Over
> 90 MB for a *sound card* driver and some tools??? I'll wait for the
> CL release, thanks.
The majority of that is the applications that come with it and the soundfont
samples (which are huge).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 12 Mar 2000 18:37:16 GMT
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:11:30 GMT, Diego Berge wrote:
> <g> Where was that?
I bet you it was NYC.
> I lived for a while in rural NE Tennesse, and
>can tell you I approached a cop more than once asking for directions.
>They were always helpful and relaxed, and none ever pointed a gun,
>loaded or otherwise, at me.
I found the same thing in Austin TX. Small town, fairly dull but pleasent.
> I agree, however, that it's probably another story in those big
>urban areas like LA and NYC. Cities are unhealthy places, anyway.
This is the main thing. Living in a huge city is a different ball game
alltogether, and you have to take the good with the bad. Dublin doesn't
have cops running around waving guns, but then, it doesn't have a zilllion
art galleries, museums, and all ( well at least half of ) the historic Jazz
clubs. Either way, it's not really fair to compare a city of 2 million to
one of 16 million.
--
Donovan
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