Linux-Advocacy Digest #627, Volume #25 Tue, 14 Mar 00 12:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux Sucks************************* (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: which OS is best? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Novell + Linux = Two Losers Screwing in a Lightbulb (Tim Kelley)
Re: New MS commercials.. (Tim Kelley)
Re: 2000 The year of the Linux... ("horst")
Re: 35 per annum is outrageous for domain name registration. ("2 + 2")
Re: 2000 The year of the Linux... ("2 + 2")
Re: In the middle of it all... (Tim Kelley)
Re: Disproving the lies. (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Oh Yeah Baby!! (Kool Breeze)
Re: Fairness to Winvocates (was Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K) (Craig Kelley)
Re: A Linux server atop Mach? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Fairness to Winvocates (was Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K) ("Chad Myers")
Re: Novell + Linux = Two Losers Screwing in a Lightbulb (Craig Kelley)
Re: which OS is best? (Craig Kelley)
Re: A Linux server atop Mach? (John Jensen)
Re: Fairness to Winvocates (was Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to (Matt Gaia)
Re: Thoughts and answers sought for Linux research article (John Sanders)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks*************************
Date: 14 Mar 2000 14:23:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED],net> wrote:
>On 14 Mar 2000 03:26:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED],net> wrote:
>>
>>Now it all makes sense: Steve/Mike/pickle_pete/mcswain/heather,
>>etc. -- the Proctologist of Borg -- is a transvestite! (Or a
>>transsexual; maybe his peter really *is* pickled. Ouch!)
>
>And I thought you had no sense of humor Mark :)
You provide all the material; I'm sure you do it purposely,
on some level.
>Alas you are incorrect. Happily married, heterosexually of course, for
>15 years, just turned 40 on March 12th and have 3 children. Living the
>American dream here on Long Island, down the street from Billy Joel,
>and now Seinfeld (there goes the neighborhood).
You've lied so many thousands of times that if you said
the Sun rises in the East, we would check for ourselves.
>>>On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:10:54 -0600, John Sanders wrote:
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject says it all***************************
>>
>>>Trust my data to that crap?
>>>
>>> HELL NO!
>>>
>>>Free software is just that....Free and full of comprimises...
>>
>>At least we have a good spell-checker...
>
>So I forgot to hit the button...Silly me..
Aha, Watson! Another clue!
>>>>Gosh. I envy you. Some day I'll buy a real OS. Then I'll
>>>>be cool, too. Am I right?
>>>
>>>I doubt you would be cool driving a 2000 canary yellow Vette....
>>>You sound more like an AMC Pacer guy to me. Maybe Daddy's station
>>>wagon complete with fake wood sides?
>>>
>>>I dated a guy once with a car like that. Geek city!
>>
>>But it had really soft seats, which was a major advantage
>>when Steve was coming home after his hot date.
>
>You'd have to ask Heather about that one.
So you're saying that *she*, not you, wrote that previous
article, and by a really strange coincidence, she just
happens to grouch about Linux in exactly the same style
that you do.
I'd have to be crazier than you are to believe that.
See, the problem is, you're a really big liar, but you're
very bad at it.
>>>I'll bet he's running Linux these days.
>>
>>>Heather and Steve....
>>>
>>>Easily reached via [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>And yes, there is a Heather and there is a Steve and surprise
>>>they are real names :)
So who is Mike? You once claimed, as "teknite", that your
real name is Mike. And don't insult our intelligence by
denying that you are teknite; the article headers prove it.
>>With Multiple Personality Disorder, you're never lonely!
>
>Ha! Ha!.. That's a good one Mark :)
>Probably true also.
--
"I want to talk to Rose now. Let me talk to Rose."
_The Color of Night_
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:39:21 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>
> I am getting sick and tired of this line. Every single Losedoze
> from the first to the latest has been "getting better." So
> what? It's still one of the worst OS's ever made.
<snip>
> users. Personally, I think that Linux will never be as easy to
> use as Losedoze or the Mac. Why? Because, being Unix, you are
> always going to have to go to the command-line. Am I wrong?
And I am sick and tired of this line. My kids use Linux on their
PC (no M$ in this house) and they never use the command-line. They
login via kdm, wm is xfce and everything they need is setup on
the xfce control panel. They use it daily and never complain.
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Novell + Linux = Two Losers Screwing in a Lightbulb
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:37:48 -0600
"Hugh G. Rexshun" wrote:
>
> Now Novell has really scraped the bottom of the barrel. They have thrown in
> the towel and are offering NDS for Linux.
>
> It is like watching two iMac users try to install Quake! Funny as shit and a
> losing proposition at best.
Uh, why? NDS is one of the neatest pieces of software out there
(there isn't anything else which is remotely as good), I for one
am very glad it will be out for linux.
I wish there was a GPL'ed directory service out there, that would
be wonderful, but there isn't.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New MS commercials..
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:41:37 -0600
Gooba wrote:
>
> Just tonight I was watching TV and there's a new ad campaign by Microsoft.
> They are now advertising 100% reliability for Windows 2000.
>
> Anyone crashed Win2k yet? False advertising if it crashes even once, right?
I hate those commercials. I watch maybe 30 min of TV a week and
I've seen maybe six of them already.
The same hip 'tude, the bouncy, insipid music, the smarmy
business worshipping ... eewww .. those ads make my skin crawl.
The IBM ads are almost the same. In fact, you can't even tell
the difference until the end where each company puts up its
nauseating logo.
Yeah, Microsoft is rad cool. Right.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "horst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2000 The year of the Linux...
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:11:07 GMT
don't forget php 4.0 !
> 2.4 is going to be a GREAT kernel, but wait there is more... A
>new xfree86 is out, along with a Gnome and KDE2.0 with free office
>suites from both! Of course, there will be Correl Office for those who
>need to pay to feel like they got something. The Desk top is coming
>along fine. The server side has the new Apache2.0 just announced. Add
>Novel's NDS beats the tar out of mSAD (microSoft Active Directory). All
>in all, it looks like a very good year for Linux!!!
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 35 per annum is outrageous for domain name registration.
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:30:33 -0500
I think the registrars pay $9 per year for use and support of the Internic
database.
Anyone have better or different info?
I would expect that the registration fees would become absorbed into the
cost of web hosting over time.
2 + 2
Edward Ing wrote in message ...
>I should not cost more than a few dollars. It use to be free.
>Some notable free internet advocate, who everybody trusts, (I nominate the
>linux guy (what is his name?) should setup a registry.
>If everybody here on comp.os.linux.advocacy were to give him a dollar, he'd
>have enough to be a certified ICANN registrar and under-cut every other
>slime green for-profit name registrar with 5 dollar per year subscriptions.
>
>
>
>
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2000 The year of the Linux...
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:37:30 -0500
<snip on interesting info to get a clean slate>
Re title, so true.
As Austin Powers so succinctly stated:
"Oh yeah baby!"
2 + 2
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In the middle of it all...
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:44:52 -0600
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> You do know that what you write has absolutely no supporting evidence and
> sounds exactly like what someone could just sit down and write. I mean,
> let's just swap linux and Win and repost the same text in the windows
> advocacy group and it'll mean exactly the same thing.
... which means it sounds exactly like EVERYTHING you write.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disproving the lies.
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:04:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Christopher Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:sdYx4.70996$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Drestin Black would
say:
> > >"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> > >news:8a6phv$dpt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
> > >> I/T Architect, MIS Director
> > >> http://www.open4success.com
> > >> Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
> > >> and growing at over 1%/week!
> > >
> > >holy shit - what is this? a *** 5 0 % *** drop in
> > >linux growth?! DAMN!
> > > Looks
> > >like a HUGE slow down has occured in Linux growth.
Nope. Just being a bit more conservative in my estimates.
There is more revenue but the revenue growth rate is only
about 225%/year. The 2%/month would be a growth rate of
180%/year. But since guys like Drestin have a hard time
dealing with triple-digit growth rates - I cut
down the growth rate estimates.
SEC Filings for COBT, RHAT, ESFT, LNUX, and CORL average out
at about 200% revenue growth rates. Some of them are even
running in the black.
> > > What happened? Run out of
> > >computer users in the US to count
Nope - been counting users world-wide. Latin America, India,
China, Europe, and Australia are growing at a much healthier rate.
The US corporate market has been growing as well.
On the other hand, most of the browser counters count IP Addresses
per fire-wall and count blended sights based on the most recently
used OS for that IP. Furthermore, all of these sites are english
speaking sites, most are focused toward American upper middle class
audiences, and many are Microsoft Friendly and Linux hostile (using
Jscript and VBScript without alternatives). Finally, these polls
give higher measurements to AOL users since AOL uses thousands of
NT servers (Linux hostile pops) while most Linux POPs tend to handle
many more users per IP address. Also, Linux POPs can more easily
provide transparent IP Masquerading - appearing to the user to be
a dedicated public IP address, while in fact being a private
address which is translated to the terminal servers "real" address.
But since Drestin Black and others insist on using these numbers
as if they meant something, and point to the fact that these numbers
show only a 2% market penetration of the Linux desktop market, I
try to temper the estimates a bit.
I should probably stick to the 2%/week growth rate, but a growth
rate of 600,000/week in a world of 6 billion people is still
signifcant and more credible. At the rate of 600,000 people/week,
it would still take 20 years to reach all 6 billion. At a compounded
1%/week growth rate, it would take about 10 years. That would be
60 million today, 120 million in 3/2001, 240 million in 3/2002,
480 million in 3/2003, and 960 million in 3/2004, 1.92 billion
in 3/2005, 3.84 billion in 3/2006, and assuming the growth rate
hadn't already peaked out by 2005, roughly 6 billion by 2006 (by
which time the world population would have grown to about 9 billion).
Given that 10% of the population would be too young to read or too
old to see, it's quite likely that the Linux user volume would peak
out at between 6 and 7 billion.
> > > cause they at one time or another visited
> > >a website that mentioned the word "linux"
> > >so you counted them? And still,
> > >you dare to claim that there are 6,000,000 new linux
> > > users every week?
No - that would be a growth rate of 10%/week. I'm only claiming
1%/week which is still less than 5%/month or 3 million users per
month on a global basis. It's a bit conservative, but a reasonable
estimate.
> > >6,600,000 the next week? Where DO you find these people?
Only about 10% in the US White-Collar market which has been
pretty well saturated by Microsoft. The US Blue Collar and
low-income markets are a different story. Let's face it, not
many families with incomes of under $20k/year are going to spend
$8000 for a fully equipped NT Enterprise edition server complete with
Back Office, Office, Visual Studio, SQL Server, and 1000 CALs.
On the other hand, many of them MIGHT spend $400 on a used PC
or "Bare Bones" PC that can run Linux, which they can buy for
$20-60 which includes groupware, office suite(s), development
systems, database engines, and unlimited user connectivity - and
can be connected to Linux-friendly ISP lines and used to rdist
up to remotely hosted ISP servers.
Sure, it might take a bit more time, a bit more effort, a bit more
thinking, a bit more problem solving ability to get the Linux box
running a a full-featured workstation and server. But on the other
hand, when the alternative is to spend the next 40 years of your life
mopping floors, washing dishes, are turning tricks, a few hours per
week as a computer geek isn't such a terrible sacrifice.
Windows $2K would cost about $2K to have even the most basic
software - not including hardware, connectivity, Client Access
Licenses, and hardware. Microsoft's own estimates for a full-service
web-site run nearly $1/2 million or more.
Meanwhile, back at the Linux Ranch - that $400 server and $40 CD
can be scaled up as the revenue comes in. It's like setting up
a business by starting with a table on a street corner, and growing
it to the point where you have a corner store, then a store in
a shopping center, then a franchise, then a national chain.
With the Microsoft solution - it's more like trying to buy-in to a
McDonalds franchise in a high-traffic mall. If you have the cash,
and the financing, and the experience, and the determination to
succeed, you have a pretty good chance of making it, but you also
have a pretty good chance of losing you house, the business, your
credit, and 10% of all future income if you make any mistakes.
> > > Cause they sure
> > > ain't on any map that anyone else can document...
Part ofthis is because you are only looking at a "map" of the U.S.,
and primarily a map of AOL users. AOL is a great company. I hope
they start being more Linux friendly, but they represent only about
10% of the global Internet user base.
> > 1% of 60 million is 600,000.
> > You're off (of what I'd certainly admit is a flimsy estimate in the
> > first place) by a full order of magnitude.
You're right. The estimate is very conservative. I should double it,
but I haven't seen official numbers other than a few postings and
stock reports indicating user growth of something over 1 million/month
within the english speaking environment.
> > Did you flunk math?
>
> oops - hehehe - my boo boo, but the point still stands,
> 600,000 new users
> this week eh? I don't think so.
Let's put 1/3 in the united states. That's 200,000 new users/week.
That's only 4,000 users/week in each of the 50 states. That's an
average of 1,000 users/week in each of the U.S. cities with populations
over 1 million. That's only about 100 units per CompUSA store, assuming
that there is no "piracy" (which is legal in the Linux market) and
no "giving away last month's copy". Both of which are common practices.
Now, about India - a country with 4 times the population of the U.S.,
and much more fond of UNIX and much less fond of Microsoft. And
China, a country with 12 times the population of the U.S. and which
has adoptied Linux as it's "official" operating system for use in
schools, universities, government agencies, and the equivalent of
businesses.
Then there's Europe - which seems to be quite fond of SuSE Linux.
Then there's South America - Mexico with 1 million Linux users,
and Agentina, Brasil, Columbia, Chile, Peru, and so on. Sure,
South America isn't as densely populated as New York City, but
there are still twice as many people south of the Rio Grande as
there are to north.
Austrailia is also quite fond of UNIX and Linux. The Australians
were one of the first countries to sponsor Linus on speaking tours.
It was while Linus was in Australia that he decided to make Tux the
Penguin the Linux mascot and trademark. What's the population of
Australia?
>
--
Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 1%/week!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Kool Breeze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oh Yeah Baby!!
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:09:38 -0500
Forgive these blind MS followers, they know not what they do nor say.
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:04:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED],net wrote:
>Of course they are "Embracing Linux", they are one step from
>rigamortis and they know it.
>
>Heather+Steve
>
>
>On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:58:15 -0500, "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>See "Novell jumps into Linux pool" at
>>http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1570677.html?dtn.head
>>
>>2 + 2
>>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fairness to Winvocates (was Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K)
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Mar 2000 09:14:36 -0700
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So then just admit Linux is for hobby and let's get it over with.
>
> NT is serious, Win2K is serious. It's not meant for kids and hobbyists
> to take it apart and put it back together, it's for getting business
> done.
>
> When Linux grows up, let us know, perhaps we could have a relevant
> and poignant conversation then, no?
Get on the cluetrain Chad:
http://www.cluetrain.org
Everyone is a hobbiest in the heart, if you are not, then I feel sorry
for you.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Linux server atop Mach?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Mar 2000 09:17:35 -0700
"MJP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip]
> MacOS X may, indeed, be really more portable than Win98, but more
> software has been ported to Win98 than to MacOS X, which makes a statement
> about your standard.
Most software is written *for* Windows 98, not ported to it.
> 'To an end-user, portability means "can I exchange documents with my clients
> or with my officemates" and "can I run the programs I want to use".
> Obviously the existing Mach-kernel based MOSXS or MacOS X developer previews
> which let people run MS-Office, IE, the Adobe suite and so forth (*); as
> well as Mac games (**) has got better portability than a Linux kernel which
> did not host Mac platform apps.'
That's not what portability means.
[snip]
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fairness to Winvocates (was Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:19:11 -0600
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Everyone is a hobbiest in the heart, if you are not, then I feel sorry
> for you.
heh.. <sigh> Why do I have to continually explain the obvious and
inherrant to you guys?
It wears on me, really it does. Is that your objective? To just wear
me down with gross incompetence and ignorance so that I eventually
throw my hands up in frustration and add you to my kill file so that
you can continue to spew forth these ignorances uninhibited?
I don't know, my employer being as unwise as they are (sarcasm) have
chosen to not use an OS where people are "tinkering" and hobyists
are responsible for it's ultimate failure or success.
They prefer something that works, works well and when it doesn't, we
have someone to call-- Microsoft.
When I want to tinker, I do it at home, not at work. Perhaps this is
why none of the linux companies are making money?
-Chad
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Subject: Re: Novell + Linux = Two Losers Screwing in a Lightbulb
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Mar 2000 09:22:06 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hugh G. Rexshun) writes:
> Now Novell has really scraped the bottom of the barrel. They have thrown in
> the towel and are offering NDS for Linux.
NDS has been available on Linux for quite some time now.
> It is like watching two iMac users try to install Quake! Funny as shit and a
> losing proposition at best.
Actually, you just drag the folder to your hard drive and
double-click on the Quake III icon...
No InstallShield(tm) which modifies umpteen dozens of files in %SYSTEM
ROOT% and then tromps all over the registry.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Mar 2000 09:28:52 -0700
Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Charles Kooy wrote:
>
> > But its getting better. Still made by dodgy geezers, though.
>
> I am getting sick and tired of this line. Every single Losedoze
> from the first to the latest has been "getting better." So
> what? It's still one of the worst OS's ever made.
I had a bunch of people over for a party last weekend and we decided
to play some Halflife, for which there is no Linux client. We had to
re-install Windows98se on one of the machines because it kept on
crashing -- another machine froze a few times. I just sat back and
laughed.
[snip]
> > Uhm, DOS never crashed? Uhhhhhh. No.
>
> I used DOS heavily from 1985 to 1996 and it never crashed one
> time. Ti never gave me any problems other than slowing down.
> File corruption? What is that? I guess it does crash, though,
> just never seen it.
Well, since DOS doesn't *do* anything... :)
> My list (PC only):
>
> 1. Amiga!
> 2. OS/2!
> 3. BeOS!
> 4. NextStep!
> 5. Linux!
> 6. Mac OS 9!
> (all are great)
I am very fond of NextSetp, I can't wait to try out MacOS X.
I've found that MacOS > 7.1 crashes more often than Windows...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Linux server atop Mach?
Date: 14 Mar 2000 16:29:37 GMT
Charles W. Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: That's an interesting proposition. Let me approach it by thinking about
: this at the various layers.
: GUI apps
: --------
: MacOS provides support for running Mac software as well as things like
: VirtualPC and the Connectix PlayStation emulator; Linux lets you run
: X11-based GUI apps (both native and binaries from related platforms like
: FreeBSD) as well as limited PC emulation. [...]
MacOS X and Linux will both have emulators to run Windows software. I
think the crux will be how well they can _create_ standards. To repeat
what I see as the fast answer: a multi-source standard will outgrow a
single-source standard every time.
(One might wonder how soon a Linux-compatiblity layer would become a
viable product in the MacOS X marketplace.)
: Server apps
: -----------
: For the most part, this is a wash-- both platforms can run Apache, an FTP
: server, mail, POP/IMAP, ssh, NFS/SMB/AppleShare filesharing, print sharing,
: and so forth. [...]
Sure. I have neglected the importance of this in recent posts. Server
apps, especially web server apps, make a wonderful compatibility layer
that reaches a bit into the GUI range. There are probably a lot of
interesting (as in the make-you-rich, kind of interesting) web-hosted
applications that could be created to be portable across all kinds of
UNIX, including MacOS X and Linux.
: Unix/CLI
: --------
: Again, this layer is mostly a wash. Pretty much the entire GNU suite is at
: the "./configure ; make install" level of compatibility. [...]
Another important area. I hacked up a stupid Linux/C CLI program to read
and organize pictures from my digital camera a couple days ago. (It just
reads Mavica floppies and organizes pictures by timestamp.) I'd expect it
to compile with minor changes in MacOS X. That's great.
: Kernel
: ------
: Linux has got more extensive driver availability (particularly given the
: status of Darwin for Intel) and more loadable kernel modules around for it.
: It will be interesting to see how compatible Apple's new driver layer it and
: how easy it is to port open source drivers. [...]
This only matters to people who want to run Darwin on Intel for some
reason. I think you've demonstrated above that the several levels of
portablity between MacOS X and Linux, and the lack of a Mac-ish GUI on
Intel, make Darwin on Intel a questionable goal. Why, beyond the
hackerish fun in helping create it?
John
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From: Matt Gaia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fairness to Winvocates (was Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:29:51 -0500
: When I want to tinker, I do it at home, not at work. Perhaps this is
: why none of the linux companies are making money?
Maybe linux companies aren't in it for the simply making money. They (and
developers) are in it to simply make a better product. So would you
rather get stuff from someone who wants to make money or someone who wants
to make a better product?
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From: John Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Thoughts and answers sought for Linux research article
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:21:09 -0600
JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
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> > Microsoft will have the market they have now. There is a lot of
> >proprietary software written for Linux.
>
> Whatever financial incentive there is to sell software for money,
> there is likely an even greater incentive to get it for free. This
> is something far too often overlooked in such discussions.
> I was thinking along the line of EDA tools. VHDL compilers and simulators are
>becomming available for Linux. PCB layout and schematic capture also. These tools
>generally require a huge amount of investment to produce. I'm know there are some
>things available now for free. But is their quality equal to Cadence or Mentor? The
>Freehdl project looks promising. This is probably a managable size to succeed as
>open source. But Green Mountain has one now. If it sets a standard for performance,
>open source versions will have to keep up. Having a tool for free later, or having
>one now for some bucks can involve a time to market issue.
I may have the incentive to get something for free, but if it's not
available...?
> A little enlightened self interest can go quite a long way. This is
> not really a bad thing. Certain classes of software shouldn't be able
> to make their owner's money any more. Those authors should be forced
> to move onto things that are more bleeding edge or less able to be
> replicated by a planet of grousing libertarians and tightwads.
The market place, as always, will sort that out. And there is always
software that shouldn't have been written. Class or quality.
> [deletia]
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> Resistance is not futile. / | \
>
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John W. Sanders
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