Linux-Advocacy Digest #19, Volume #26 Sat, 8 Apr 00 09:13:41 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux mail/news application questions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux mail/news application questions (Nate Eldredge)
Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped (Joel Harrison)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (Jim
Richardson)
Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped (Joel Harrison)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? ("Colin R. Day")
Re: What should be the outcome of Microsoft antitrust suit. (R.E.Ballard ( Rex
Ballard ))
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (Jim
Richardson)
Re: Comparison between Linux and FreeBSD! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (Jim
Richardson)
Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451640 (tholenbot)
Re: Linux mail/news application questions (John Hasler)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (Jim
Richardson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:01:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.apps Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:05:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.development.apps Grant Edwards <grant@nowhere.> wrote:
>>> Oh, and gbuffy. It's the one X application other than rxvt
>>> (and a window manager) I run consistently.
> It's a mailbox monitoring program. It looks like a small box
> full of rectangular buttons.
Ahhhhh. Like an extended XBIF...
Can't be arsed with that. I know when I've got new mail because I only get
it when I connect, and I read it in the VCs anyway...
I only tend to use X for reading Dilbertzone and userfriendly.org...
(And writing the odd WP doc, or messing with GIMP)
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From: Nate Eldredge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Date: 07 Apr 2000 19:00:41 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
> Leafnode provides *a* capability for this; after seeing a whole lot of
> Net.Wars over the issue, I am getting quite convinced that people
> should be downloading the contents of newsgroups, as that is a
> *useful* level of granularity, and that trying to fine-tune the
> downloading of specific articles is a fool's errand, adding complexity
> to the process that outweighs the benefits anywhere where the price of
> metered ISP service isn't denominated in "multiple dollars per
> minute."
Hmm... consider some of the binaries newsgroups. Even with a cheap
feed, it doesn't seem practical to download several gigs of
alt.sex.binaries in order to get the one picture you wanted ;-)
But for normal text newsgroups I quite agree.
--
Nate Eldredge
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel Harrison)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:48:56 GMT
On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 23:12:38 -0400, Shadow Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>>I haven't used Corel, but I can say that Mandrake 7.0.2 picked up my
>>hardware better then Win2K. I mean, it got my 2940UW card and tape drive,
>>CDRW, Zip, Sound Blaster, the NIC, brand spanking new Voodoo 3500 and
>>everything worked with no problems. If RedHat and the others continue
>>this trend towards simplicity in the setup, I think Linux really has a
>>chance against Windows.
>
>Just as another thing to add for whatever reason I could not get my
>USRobotics ISA 56k modem to work under Windows 2000. It detected it,
>install drivers for it, but then just got nothing but hardware errors
>after setting up DUN and everything to go with it. In Linux that
>USRobotics gets picked up automatically and I connect 48,000bps all
>the time no problems. I'm not that impress with Windows 2000. Not to
>mention that my Intel EtherExpress which installs automatically under
>95 and 98 wasn't able to installed in Windows 2000 either for some
>still unknown reason. Oh yeah, I'm real impressed and I do agree I
>believe Linux will potentially pull ahead. I personally think MS bit
>the big one on Windows 2000 and will probably slice their own throats
>in the process.
>
>Shadow Hunter
You don't give enough credit to the upcoming Windows ME.....should
offer all the hardware (in)compatibility of W2K, and maybe even a bit
of the increased stability, at the expense of any LAN support. Sure,
networking information will still be available for NT networks, but
you have to go to W2K if you want to use Novell or some other non-MS
networking version (I guess Novell et al. didn't pay their MS dues
this year). Looks like MS isn't really planning on catering to the
home networking market, unless they're willing to set up their own W2K
server/client system.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:49:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Followup-To:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:15:26 GMT,
fmc, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> So you disagree? The law decides what rights you and I have? That
>> seems contradictory to what you said earlier. (Quoting from memory)
>> "my rights are not doled out by the government."
>
>Not at all. I was referring to your propensity for juvenile rhetoric.
>Copyright based on common law has been around for centuries, so the burden
>of proof is on you to offer a more cogent arguments than "Just because it's
>a law does not make it right". You're waiting to get hit by a wild pitch
>when you should be trying to hit home run off an inside fast ball.
>
>
Perhaps you could give me an example of copyright in the common law,
predating say, oh 1650. (US or Britain is acceptable, since there
wasn't a whole lot of publication going on in the new world at the time.)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel Harrison)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:05:43 GMT
On 7 Apr 2000 20:04:54 GMT, Paul Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In alt.os.linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>:> CD writers don't like me anymore either
>
>: ... not the only ones that don't like you.
>
>:> This is a much a "what is good about Linux" as a 'I figured it out and
>: I
>:> am happy / proud / smug / cooler than the other guy at work" list.
>
>: No. This a "I tried Linux but just didn't get it so now I have to
>: insult successful Linux users to protect my manhood" post.
>
>EASY! I think he had some legitimate statements that a newbie
>would agree with. I know I had some similar experiences.
>
>It's a steep learning curve, but worth it.
As I've said before in previous posts, "how soon 'this is harder than
Windows' becomes 'oooh, I could never do THIS in Windows!!'" The
power, flexibility, and stability of Linux don't manifest themselves
until you get past the newbie jitters. And *that* can be quite a
steep hill to climb, even for someone with considerable computer
skills.
I learned to drive on an automatic, and I still remember learning to
ride stick for the first time. It was harder than automatic, because
I had to think a lot more about what I was doing and the gear
configuration was unfamiliar, but once I got the hang of it, control
freak that I am, I really appreciated that I had that extra element of
control over the car's engine.
Learning anything new is a challenge, and I'm glad that the more
visible Linux distributions are concentrating on better install and
configuration utilities. Still, even with better installers, you have
to have certain base knowledge or you'll burn out the trannie.
The original poster's points were valid. So have been most of the
responses.
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:59:29 +0000
Bloody Viking wrote:
> Leon Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Well, since no one has been able to provide any answers to the seven
> : items I want on a Linux desktop, I guess Linux isn't ready for my
> : desktop.
>
>
<snip>
>
> What I hate about Windows is the fact that if you want a compiler, you
> have to pay big bucks for one.
What about the Windows port of gcc?
>
> --
> CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680
> First Law of Economics: You can't sell product to people without money.
>
> 4968238 bytes of spam mail deleted. http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What should be the outcome of Microsoft antitrust suit.
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:00:24 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
William Adderholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <CSCG4.356$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ceo0k$2c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [snip]
> > > When Sun jumped the gun and claimed that they would be the
> > > exclusive licensee of UNIX, the OSF was formed to implement
> > > an alternative kernel. One of the key goals was that the
> > > OSF kernel had to run all BSD and SysV applications.
> >
> > And OSF-1 is where today?
>
> Isn't the OSF kernel used in Tru64 Unix? (Just wondering.)
Actually IBM, DEC, and HP as well as Interactive UNIX all implemented
the OSF kernel elements. The OSF kernel was based on the MACH
microkernel and the BSD personality library. In additon to X11,
OSF specified Motif instead of OLIT, and DCE instead of NIS/RPC.
One of the advantages of MACH was that it would make it possible
to run multiple personalities under the microkernel. At one point,
IBM planned to put OS/2 and BSD personalities on the PC, and eventually
DID put UNIX and MVS personalities on System 390. DEC put VMS and
UNIX on the VAX. Eventually, to get the performance advantages of
the legacy system and keep the competitive performance advantage,
along with higher margins, DEC and IBM both integrated most of their
legacy system such that the MACH microkernel became secondary, or
nonexistent. Open VMS, and OS/390 still exist under the OSF concept
and follow OSF heritage and standards, but most OSF systems also
support open source implementations as well. HP eventually just
adopted UNIX/HP_UX as it's primary operating system.
Meanwhile, SysV R4 adopted the BSD personality as well. Eventually,
both UI and OSF agreed to some common standards (which had been common
all along, but were now accepted widely as standards.
When Sun "Lost" the battle for the window manager and RPC, SUN
and AT&T put OLIT, OpenLook Window Manager, and display postscript
into Open Source in late 1991. In 1992, the Linux community ported
OLIT and OLVWM to Linux.
> William Adderholdt
>
--
Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
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and growing at over 1%/week!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:16:30 GMT
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 05:25:29 GMT,
fmc, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Christopher Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when fmc would say:
>> >> True enough. But what inate rights of the manufactures and software
>> >> licensor's did we violate in making a clone of your laptop?
>> >
>> >The ones you just acknowledged. Don't forget the additional costs the
>> >manufacturer will have to absorb to maintain your clone. It's still
>under
>> >warranty.
>>
>> Huh? Warranty? How can it make sense for the manufacturer of *your*
>> laptop to have a warrantee cost for maintaining the "clone" that they
>> did *not* manufacture?
>>
>> The manufacturer did not condone the action; the manufacturer did not
>> manufacture the clone. What *conceivable* legal relationship would
>> permit a demand of warrantee support on the "clone?"
>
>It's a clone, a perfect replica of my original, which means that it has the
>same serial number as mine. If it's sent in for service, how is the
>manufacturer to know that it's not the original? Of course they've been
>scammed, and if I ever send MY machine in for service a lot of eyebrows will
>be raised. The damage will have been done by then, because they will have
>already fixed the clone and returned it. That's money they never would have
>spent if the clone didn't exist.
Sounds to me like the crime would be fraud, sending in the cloned laptop
for warranty service that wasn't agreed to. So if the unit never gets
sent in for warranty work, how is the cloning a crime?
What if I have your permission to clone your laptop, and then remove the
serial # so that it can't be sent in for repair under warranty? is that a
crime?
>
>
>> This sure sounds like the old canard that gets trotted out about "piracy"
>> resulting in a "loss" that is represented by the dollar-for-dollar
>> storefront pricetag on the software that got "pirated." Which ignores
>> the fact that in many, many cases, if the software were not copied in
>> manner contrary to license, it would probably not be copied *at all.*
>> Thus, if "Billy-the-Pirate" didn't make 5 copies of "Tiberius Assault"
>> for his buddies, the net result would *not* be that the authors would
>> get $50x5, but would rather be that they would get the very same $0 that
>> they get in the "illegal copying" situation.
>
>The burden of proof lies with the defendant to show that no sales were lost.
>It's impossible to do that because one doesn't know what those 5 people
>would have done had they not bought the bootleg copies. This is referred to
>by those in the legal profession as "tough luck".
The burden of proof is to show that the defendent is guilty of whatever crime
it is he is being charged with! That burden rests with the State.
>
>>
>> That is, much of the revenues that the Software Protection Racket Agency
>> (or did I misspell that?) claim as "lost to piracy" were illusory in
>> the first place.
>>
>> Another way...
>>
>> The teenage kid that "misspent" a summer trading 25 computer games with
>> his buddies may have copied software that the SPA would have valued at
>> $25 x $50, or $1250.
>>
>> The likelihood that this *truly* represents a loss of $1250 in sales
>> is between zero and nothing. The kid's finances could have permitted
>> spending maybe a couple hundred bucks on games, but nowhere near the
>> raw prices of the boxes on store shelves. (Which also don't resemble
>> the losses on the part of the software *producers,* but that's *another*
>> story...)
>
>Golly, that's a novel legal theory. "Your honor, my client has only two
>hundred dollars to his name. How can he be charged with stealing more than
>that?" That would have been a good for a laugh on the old TV program, Night
>Court.
That's not the argument. You (and others ) claim that the crime is the loss
of revenue to the copyright holder, because of pirated copies that would
have been purchased otherwise. If the kid in question only had $200, how
is it possible that he would have *purchased* $1250 of software absent his
bit nibbler? The logic doesn't add up.
>>
>> In any case, the costs you seem to be talking about seem to be pretty
>> illusory.
>
>Yet supported by legal precedent. Work on getting the laws changed if you
>don't like it.
So the law is right, right? Is that just the laws you like? or are all laws
right?
(n.b. don't take this as support me supporting piracy, I don't, but I will
call bullshit when I see a flawed argument. Even my own.)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Comparison between Linux and FreeBSD!
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:24:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DO NOT turn your noses up at FreeBSD.
While I actually prefer Linux as a desktop, it's greatly enhanced support of the
hardware, it's many
applications,,, FreeBSD is a decent desktop and one whale of a server.
In two idential machines, one with FreeBSD 4.0 and one with Mandrake 7.0, the FreeBSD
version
is roughly 6 times faster as a server under a heavy load!
I'd love to see Linux eventually get tuned and groomed to the point we could compare
to the
FreeBSD kernels performance levels.
And let me make just one more comment about the FreeBSD desktop. I found that not
everything worked.
Let's say 90% did but programs related to performance monitoring and the such had some
problems.
But the windowing operations of opening terminals and starting applications were much
faster reacting.
FreeBSD has a greatly improved swap system over linux.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:30:11 GMT
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 05:57:14 GMT,
fmc, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:08:25 GMT,
>> fmc, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
>> >
>> >"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Bad example, there is only ONE laptop.
>> >>
>> >> This topic has been rehashed to death, suppose I borrow your laptop,
>> >> stick it in a cloning machine, and make another, which I keep. You get
>> >yours
>> >> back ... what then, have you been robbed, was there theft, have you
>been
>> >denied
>> >> use of your laptop due to my cloning ?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Thanks for returning my laptop. The one you cloned is an illegal copy,
>and
>> >violates not only the copyrights of the software licensors, but the
>patents
>> >of the manufacturer as well.
>> >
>>
>> How does it violate the patents of the manufacturer? patents don't prevent
>you
>> from building a copy of something, they only prevent you from selling it.
>>
>
>It's always smart to check your facts before you express your opinion.
>
>35 USC 271, Infringement of patent
>
>§271. Infringement of patent
>
>"Except as otherwise provided in this title [35 USC §§1 et seq.], whoever
>without authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells any patented
>invention, within the United States or imports into the United States any
>patented invention during the term of the patent therefor, infringes the
>patent. "
>
>fmc
>
>
>
>
I stand corrected,
However, this would imply that those people who used the Barnes and Noble
"violation" of Amazon's "one click" patent, were as liable for patent
infringement as B&N.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451640
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:41:16 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Eric Bennett wrote (using a pseudotholen again):
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> >
> > > tholenbot wrote:
> > >
> > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Today's Haakmat digest:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm so happy to see you're digesting me again. I was beginning to
> > > >> think you had become oblivious to all that is wonderful about our
> > > >> relationship.
> > > >
> > > >Your entertainment is irrelevant, Pascal.
> > >
> > > Careful tholenbot, I'm going to crack you up ...
> >
> > What you are going to to is irrelevant. What you do is relevant.
>
> Non sequitur, as no one has mentioned what he is going to to.
More reading comprehension problems, Marty? Typical, coming from
someone who fails to local the grasshopper.
> > > >> >> There's something irresistible about you.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Then explain why so many people claim to kill-file me (and I
> > > >> >emphasize the word "claim").
> > > >>
> > > >> Perhaps they love to hate you.
> > > >
> > > >Aren't you certain? Predictable.
> > >
> > > ... crash you up ...
> >
> > Illogical.
>
> On what basis do you make this claim?
Ask your mentor, Marty.
> > > >> >> fl. 10 or fl. 15 if you star in it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >And how many others would be willing to pay the same?
> > > >>
> > > >> Just you and me, Dave.
> > > >
> > > >Evidence, please. Did you ask all others?
> > >
> > > ... and hack you to pieces!
> >
> > Also illogical.
>
> Also pontification.
Of what relevance is that remark?
> > Meanwhile, you fail to answer the question. Typical.
>
> How ironic, coming from someone who typically fails to answer the
> question.
Who is that, Marty?
> > Are there any kooks in the theatre tonight?
>
> Don't you know?
Don't you know?
> --
> The infinite wisdom of Bob Osborn:
What is allegedly "infinite" about it?
> So what are you trying to say here, Bobo?
Perhaps you should try asking that question in a post made in response
to Bobo, Marty.
--
Are there any kooks in the theatre tonight?
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:51:27 GMT
Adam writes:
> I don't have -that- big of a monitor, but I agree.
I have that big a monitor but I also have lousy eyesight. I still only run
at most one xterm in each of my 16 desktops, but at least now I can
actually consider having more than one window open on one desktop.
> As long as you are running text based stuff in xterms, you don't need a
> massively powerful machine.
I've got one, but I still use fvwm.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:02:10 GMT
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:22:31 GMT,
Otto, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> >That would explain why "only" 20% of the webservers are using it. As
>Steve
>> >mentioned, only the more important sites use it.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, 20% and dropping...
>> (pauses to remember the name of the only webserver that shows increasing
>> market share, and has done for months...hmm... A-somthing, atachyon? no,
>> that's not it, !OH! I remember Apache... that's it. 60% and climbing...)
>>
>
>Yeah, it is climbing on the back of the small ISPs. Ever wondered why it is
>so cheap to host someone's seldom visited domain? Try to ask for hosting a
>site which gets over 100K hits per day, see what the ISP says about the
>price then.
>
You're not making a lot of sense Otto, apache is free, webhosting may or may
not be. The cost of the webserver has little to do with what the webhoster
charges. Some places using IIS offer free webhosting plans, because they
expect to make money in other ways, some places using a free webserver,
charge for hosting. Do you have some reason to believe that a properly set
up apache server, running on hardware adequate to the task, would be unable
to handle 100k hits a day?
Like it or not, web use is growing, Apache use is growing, in both share,
and in raw numbers, IIS use is only growing in raw numbers, and is declining
in market share. Apache is picking up an even greater percentage of the
"young turks" companies, like www.cdrom.com and mp3.com. How many hits a
day does www.mp3.com get do you think Otto? how about www.cdrom.com?
Or www.hotmail.com...
Of course, there are plenty of well established entities using Apache also,
Like:
www.financialtimes.com
www.latimes.com
Interestingly enough, netcraft's survey numbers, in which M$ got <21% for
march, include IIS, and M$ PWS 95(personal web server IIRC)
So tell me Otto, would you run M$ PWS-95 on a site you expected to get
100k hits a day?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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