Linux-Advocacy Digest #364, Volume #26 Thu, 4 May 00 16:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ? (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (John Hasler)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Craig Kelley)
Re: Virus on the net? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Oracle 8i and Mandrake 7.0 (Craig Kelley)
Re: Virus on the net? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Virus on the net? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux NFS is buggy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Virus on the net? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation' ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Oracle 8i and Mandrake 7.0 (sljohns)
Re: Are we equal? ("LGFR")
Re: Linux Installation from Hell (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux Installation from Hell (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Is the PC era over? (Brian Fristensky)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ?
Date: 04 May 2000 18:20:30 GMT
>Caveat, windows want's to be (probably won't boot at all if it isn't) on the
>first partition of the master (for IDE) drive
Odd... I boot Win98 just fine off of partition three of my primary master
(/dev/hda3)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:53:44 GMT
Mark Evans writes:
> Should this apply to say a large telecoms company saying, "We will only
> offer you a certain fast IP service if you run a specific OS...
If said telecom company is a state protected monopoly such that they are
the only ones permitted to offer the service, it comes pretty close to
forcing you to install a particular OS at gunpoint (with the state wielding
the gun). If the company is one of several competing suppliers, it's just
a bad business decision.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 May 2000 12:22:48 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arclight) writes:
[snip]
> >File incompatibilites.
>
> These can be avoided by using the right export/import filters.
No they can't.
> >Don't tell me they don't exist; we've already encountered several
> >PowerPoint problems (and we don't even have Office 2000 anywhere in
> >the building).
>
> Try installing all the import/export filters that are on the office
> 2000 CD, they should get rid of any problems.
Animated gifs in presentations?
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Subject: Re: Virus on the net?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 May 2000 12:27:45 -0600
Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Max Jester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <snip!>
>
> : Comes in email with a subject line of "ILOVEYOU" - it seems to be pretty
> : specific to win9x; goes in and diddles your registry, and sends itself
> : to your friends ... I haven't read the whole thing in detail yet.
>
> : If you're running Linux, it won't affect you.
>
> Sure it'll affect you. If you're running Linux at the office,
> you're probably the one that has to update sendmail's filters
> in order to keep everyone safe from another innovation Microsoft
> needed the freedom to create. :)
Open source to the rescue, once again! :)
Here's the procmailrc I did this morning:
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail
:0 h
SENDER=| formail -xFrom:
:0
* ^Subject: *ILOVEYOU
* !X-Loop: $SENDER
| (formail -r -I"Precedence: junk" \
-A"X-Loop: $SENDER" ; \
cat /etc/ILOVEYOU.notice) | $SENDMAIL -t
You can put whatever message you want in /etc/ILOVEYOU.notice
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Oracle 8i and Mandrake 7.0
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 May 2000 12:31:00 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I try to install Oracle 8i on the Linux Mandrake 7.0. I got the JRE 116
> V5 because the installation process need this product. I put the all
> libraries under the path /usr/local/jre in fact it is the link as ln -
> s /usr/local/jre116_V5 /usr/local/jre. After that i start the process
> from the CD of Oracle runInstaller and i got the following messages
> Jaca script... and so on and the fatidique message "mauvaise adresse"
> so how can i do to install Oracle. Can somebody help me?
This should work for you:
http://technet.oracle.com/tech/linux/htdocs/install.pdf
The Oracle installer is broken; you're probably running the wrong
installer in the first place as well.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Virus on the net?
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:44:14 -0500
No Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8es6gk$i8g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Yes, I can confirm that I have seen advice about this one today.
> The information I have is that thge subject says "I LOVE YOU" and
> that it has an attachment called "LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs".
>
> I was not told what the effects are, nut this looks like Visual Basic
> Script or something like that.
>
> Another thread in this ng was talking about MS innovation, I hope they
> patented the stupid idea of dumb scripting all around the place in
> applications tightly integrated to the OS for no good reason....
>
> I and no, the virus of course can't affect a Linux machine, even if
> you have the bad jugdment of open an attachment from an unknown
> source.
This particular script couldn't affect a Linux machine. Semantically, this
is no different than sending someone a shell script. The user has to
execute the attachment in order for it to function (it doesn't happen by
just reading the email). If I sent you a shell script which you executed
without looking at it, the same thing could be done in Linux by reading your
mail aliases list.
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Subject: Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 May 2000 12:35:28 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii) writes:
> >Caveat, windows want's to be (probably won't boot at all if it isn't) on the
> >first partition of the master (for IDE) drive
>
> Odd... I boot Win98 just fine off of partition three of my primary master
> (/dev/hda3)
You just need to set the active partition to the one Win98 is on
(unless you use a boot manager, like LILO, in which case it'll handle
that for you).
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Virus on the net?
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:45:15 -0500
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Martijn Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Has anyone heard of a new virus on the net?
> >
> > It's called 'I Love U'. (or something that sounds like that) and
> > it seems to be infecting a LOT of companies around the globe
> > right now!
> > Also, it seems to infect Windows PC's running Outlook (Express?).
> >
> > It was on the radio surrounded by a mild case of panic :-)
> >
> > Does someone know more about it? Could something like this affect
> > Linux-machines also?
>
> 1) Most Linux e-mail clients aren't dumb enough to run code sent in
> e-mail, and there's no "give me all your friend's e-mail addresss"
> API either.
No, but there's a mail aliases list in the users home directory that could
easily be read.
> 2) Linux doesn't run VBS. :)
No, instead it has sh.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux NFS is buggy
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 18:31:33 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 4 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >
> > I said it met OUR NEEDS how can you say "Not really" when you DO NOT
> > KNOW what *OUR* Needs are????
>
> You don't have to shout at me. If you mean with "we" "the group I am
> working in", of course I cannot say it doesn't work for _you_. But
> "we" can also refer to the world as a whole. In an article or book it
> frequently reads as "the reader and I".
>
> Such as, "In Linux, we have plenty of command shells".
>
> So don't take my comment personally, but generally. And indeed it's
about
> NFS in general, which includes Linux NFS.
>
> Bart
>
>
I am not taking your post personally, I react strongly to anyone that
would take a problem with something like NFS's poor standards (ON ALL
PLATFORMS) and label it as a Linux ONLY problem. It is a problem with
the current implementation of NFS, period. It is unlikely that Linux
developers could fix the problem WITHOUT becoming incompatible with the
CURRENT NFS standards. Linux NFS compling with current standards (BROKEN
OR NOT) does NOT make Linux NFS buggy. If there is something wrong with
the STANDARD, there is something worng with the STANDARD, not the
software that is standard compliant.
To fix this NFS problem, the NFS STANDARD must be changed, THEN linux
NFS must be changed to meet the new STANDARD.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Virus on the net?
Date: 4 May 2000 18:44:40 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip!>
:> 1) Most Linux e-mail clients aren't dumb enough to run code sent in
:> e-mail, and there's no "give me all your friend's e-mail addresss"
:> API either.
: No, but there's a mail aliases list in the users home directory that could
: easily be read.
There is? Where? Surely you don't mean .aliases
:> 2) Linux doesn't run VBS. :)
: No, instead it has sh.
Not having VBS protects Linux against these sorts of email viruses
that Outlook runs automatically. I know of no email programs that
execute shell scripts short of actually saving them to disk and
explicitly running them. It's not VB in particular, but the
auto-executing of content that's such a killer in this case.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation'
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:10:41 -0500
Wally Bass <wallyb6@nospam> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 3 May 2000 18:52:26 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >I'll give you the same challenge I gave Mig Mig. Prove that every one of
> >microsofts patents are prior art.
>
> My, you're so generous with the feasibility of you challenges. Since
> you are allowing your opponent to prevail merely by PROVING
> the case on EVERY patent, I would be inclined to make an equally
> generous offer to you! Why don't you PROVE that EVERY
> Microsoft patent is (a) innovative enough that everyone would
> agree that is indeed real innovation, and (b) that it was not
> prior art.
First, you can't prove that something does not exist. How am I to prove
that nowhere in the world is prior art? Simply not possible.
Second, I don't need to prove that all of them are innovative to counter the
original claim. I need only show that one is. For instance, try this one:
http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US06052555__
US6052555: Method for speeding MPEG encoding using JPEG pre-processing
One might argue that all that is occuring is to take previously innovative
functions and applying them differently, but then that is exactly what
innovation is. Doing that which has not been done before.
Finally, I'm not the one that claimed that insinuated that *ALL* of
microsofts patents were prior art. Since it's impossible for me to prove
that any of them are not prior art (what do I do, provide the amassed sum of
human knowledge as proof?) the burden of proof is on the person that claims
otherwise.
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Subject: Re: Oracle 8i and Mandrake 7.0
From: sljohns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:15:11 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Craig Kelley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This should work for you:
>
> http://technet.oracle.com/tech/linux/htdocs/install.pdf
>
Once you've followed those instructions to get Oracle installed,
check out the POST DATABASE CREATION PROCEDURES of the Oracle
Linux how-to. They show how to get Oracle running safely.
The how-to is at
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~jmsalvo/linux/oracle8i-1.html
Steevo
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From: "LGFR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:33:05 +0100
unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed out news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Some people have noted a gross disparity in the treatment of
> individuals by the Justice Department.
>
> As an example, Mr. Bill Gates, who has already been found guilty...
[...snip shit re: Elian Whatzizname...]
...and the point is? Financial/business crimes are not regarded as
"danger to the public" ones. He awaits sentencing wherever he is
and is not a burden on your Very Full penal system.
> Remember, a vote for Clinton/Gore is a vote for a
> totalitarian police state!
Remember! A vote for George W. Bush is a vote for Neo-Nazi Right
Wing Fundamentalist Christian Zealots! Creationism in school for
the USA?
See? I can do the rhetoric too...
No, I'm not American, and I don't regard _all_ Americans as sh*theads
like some other Euros, just the majority of non-Linux users ;-)
LGFR
"Hyperspace is just a gear shift away."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux Installation from Hell
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:32:20 GMT
On Thu, 04 May 2000 17:12:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wish to know how to begin to build a custom working Linux in this
>directory.
[big snip]
It sounds like you intend on installing Linux starting with basically
nothing. That is the "very hardest of hard ways", but would be an
interesting project if you have the time. Perhaps this howto would be
helpful:
<http://www.linux.com/howto/Linux-From-Scratch-HOWTO.html>
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Installation from Hell
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:45:44 -0500
There is a kick ass tutorial on this subject at
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org. This will walk you through absolutely
every step of building a distribution from ground zero. From what
programs you need just to get functioning, to how to continue
development once the system is up. Worth a look as it may solve your
entire dilema for you.
Jay Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> It's been a very long story, so I'll try to keep it short. My question may
> be a little hard to understand. Specifically, I've built another barely
> functional Linux box from Peanut Linux 7.6 to replace the destroyed Linux
> Mandrake 6.0 installation, and from some RPM packages from the hell-damned
> Linux-Mandrake 7.0-2 CD-ROM. I've used the FHS and some other information to
> build the custom (under construction) basic filesystem (the directory
> structure, not the ext2 filesystem on that shared partition) manually, in a
> directory on the same partition as the working Peanut Linux 7.6 installation.
>
> I wish to know how to begin to build a custom working Linux in this
> directory. To this end, the very first thing I need to know to continue is
> whether the Peanut Linux 7.6 kernel (it's from the 2.2.14 stable release
> source code, apparently) can just be placed into the appropriate directory in
> the custom Linux branch, and used to boot with no other access to what is on
> the rest of the partition. Is "init" the only totally necessary program? Can
> I start with that and build up from there to installing the gcc compilers
> (again) in this custom installation, and from there to recompiling the kernel
> and all the rest of the packages that might go into a custom Linux?
>
> I warned you that the question would be hard to understand. :)
>
> P.S. Yes, this is *exactly* what I want to do. It's been very hard to get
> information about this -- the "chicken and egg" problem seems to utterly
> escape most people, even so-called "Linux gurus". They seem to be unable to
> understand that some people just have extraordinarily bad luck with most
> automated installation scripts, and that sometimes it just necessary to do
> stuff the hardest of hard ways to end nightmarish, endless Catch-22's.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: Brian Fristensky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:08:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : In comp.os.linux.advocacy Andrew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :
> :> My previous point still stands though. If Sun (or anyone) wants to
> :> return to dumb terminals, they'd better do it *really* cheap, not just
> :> slightly cheaper than a PC. What is the benefit?
> :
> : You get to run X11 natively. Thats a pretty big benefit.
>
> No, it isn't. Even a $200 eMachine can "run X11 natively", not to
> mention quite efficiently, while still retaining all its local
> computational power.
>
> :> A cheap Celeron could run a VNC client, for example, and achieve the
> :> same result, while still providing local processing capabilities for
> :> applications which might need it. (VNC -
> :> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/index.html)
> :
> : VNC is ok for remote managment, but horrible for everything else. If I
> : want to be able to stream a 2d wireframe rotation on a Sun Ray, I can do
> : it with no problems at all. Such a thing isnt possible under VNC.
>
I've been using VNC at home on my Linux box to run remote
X11 sessions on the Suns at work. With a cable modem,
VNC is not bad at all, even with 16-bit color.
No question, you do notice
that things like scrolling graphics are not as snappy
as on the X-term at work, but I get lots of work
done through VNC. I've even gotten MPEG movies to run,
and edited graphics files. Again, operations like
dragging a bitmap image within a drawing program are
noticeably slower, but still workable.
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Department of Plant Science | Sun Microsystems CEO Scott McNealy,
University of Manitoba | when asked recently about Microsoft,
Winnipeg, MB R3T 2N2 CANADA | replied "Which one?"
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