Linux-Advocacy Digest #975, Volume #26 Thu, 8 Jun 00 11:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Window managers (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Illya Vaes)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Neologism of the day (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Please Advice Me (WhyteWolf)
Re: Yet Another Analogy: Military Aircraft. (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: RedHat 6.2 Enterprise Edition (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: SVGALib (Craig Kelley)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Window managers
Date: 8 Jun 2000 14:22:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Terry Porter <No-Spam> wrote:
> BlackBox forever dudes!
> http://www.wa.apana.org.au/~tjporter/Blackbox_desktop_big.jpg
Cute. I'm not sure it is practical, but definitely cute. (I use CDE;
I don't like it, but it isn't so bad as to annoy me into committing to
switching to something else. And some of the accompanying applets are
quite neat and useful. As long as it runs emacs, I'm happy! :^)
Donal.
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Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Illya Vaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 16:30:12 +0200
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>It's just that realistically, Unix *isn't* a competitor to Windows 98.
>To NT, sure. This is, in part, why Windows 2000 suddenly
>learned to speak Kerberos. It already knew NetWare,
>but increasingly its competitors wasn't speaking that.
Ah, it's the "Server type OS" baloney again.
BTW, since when is interoperability worthless when it's with "non-competing"
systems? And why does it "happen" to be the case that the non-interoperability
of Win98 with it's "non-competitor" Unix makes lots of people take Unix'
competitor (according to you anyway) NT on the other end instead because that
"happens" to support those proprietary, non-interoperable, non-standard
protocols in _just_ the right way. Wouldn't be because it's from the same
monopolistic manufacturer, would it??? Nah!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
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Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:30:20 GMT
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 01:09:57 GMT, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:21:42 GMT, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:28:13 GMT, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>> [deletia]
>> >> >opposed to interoperability between applications is clearly business and
>> >> >large-task oriented and is a poor trade-off for home users.
>> >>
>> >> ...until they have to acquire some Robber Baron's bit of software
>> >> just because "everyone else" is using it & it tries to be as
>> >> incompatible with everything else as possible...
>> >
>> >True interoperability between applications on the same box doesn't stop at
>> >file formats in my book.
>>
>> Ultimately, that's all you have. The "file" could be streamed
>> in a pipe or a socket but it's essentially the same in the end.
>
>That's not all there is to interoperability within one box. Have you seen my
>VoiceType example? How does one accomplish that by piping a file around?
You mean like using the ViaVoice api to send streams of characters
encoded and encapsulated in a particular message passing protocol
from a control program that captures the human voice from and audio
card and essentially pipes them into other applications through the
X message passing mechanism?
There are several of those.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
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Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:37:06 GMT
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 13:32:28 GMT, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Local access to storage is faster than access from a foreign
>> >> >machine.
>> >>
>> >> And less interesting. I already have that data.
>> >
>> >Well, I certainly wouldn't engage in an argument about what does and doesn't
>> >interest you, but home users in general are not terribly interested in firing
>> >up several computers to accomplish a task.
>>
>> No, they connect to the internet where the other computers are already
>> running.
>
>What does the average home user do on the internet besides surf the web and
>write e-mail? Do they actually use more than one machine to *accomplish a
>task*?
...if that is what they typically do then they are infact using
multiple machines predominantly...
>
>> >> >In addition, home users are far more interested in what can be done
>> >> >on a single standalone box because they can't afford (or don't want to buy)
>> >> >extra equipment.
>> >>
>> >> So, the application can only deal with my own typing?
>> >
>> >Not sure I follow...
>>
>> If you don't exchange data with others, where else are you going
>> to get any input?
>
>I'm not suggesting a complete absense of exchanging data. I'm saying that a
>tradeoff of program interoperability for inter-machine interoperability is
>favorable for home users. Heck, if you wrote a document in Product X and you
>wish to share the document with someone using Product Y, if Product X doesn't
>save in a format readable by Product Y, you can simply fire up Product Y on
>your system and cut and paste the document across to it with reasonable app
>interoperability.
...after you've bought it.
"Being able to run Product X" to decode proprietary data
does NOT consitute interoperability.
>
>> >> There is no trade off. Programs that actually do interoperate
>> >> don't mind running on the same machine if that is all you have.
>> >
>> >But can they interact with other applications smoothly on the same box? An
>> >example of what I'm talking about is VoiceType Dictation/Navigation on OS/2.
>> >None of my applications have any particular knowledge of this app, yet every
>> >one of them can be voice-enabled.
>>
>> How does this relate to not being able to work across machines/platforms?
>> If you run X and have your voice control spliced into the keyboard
>> you would be able to work with remote machines as well.
>
>Ahh, but it's not spliced into the keyboard. That's the thing. It's spliced
>into the OS. It talks to the window manager, figures out which menus are
>visible on the window which current has the focus, looks for button labels in
>the current window, etc., and builds a list of valid keywords on the fly.
>With all of the different widget libraries used in X, such a thing would be
>impossible to implement.
There are already versions to handle the 3 most widely used
toolkits. So, in the worst case you would need a deamon for
each toolkit you're running.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:40:37 GMT
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:14:51 GMT, Robert L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It's an advocacy NG, people that need help don't go here. People here
> should ) talk about things that are good and bad about Linux.
There are very few people HERE that haven't already made up
their mind and have an extreme point of view in that respect.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Neologism of the day
Date: 8 Jun 2000 14:31:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My Linux Slackware system on Thursday June 1 2000 at 6:26pm
> up 18 days, 20 hours 01 mins since last reboot ;-)
For comparison, my Solaris workstation has now been up 189 days (I'm
aiming for a whole year) and my current login session has lasted for
154 days. Not too bad...
Donal (I have to be careful though, otherwise I'll forget my own
password next! :^)
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Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WhyteWolf)
Subject: Re: Please Advice Me
Date: 8 Jun 2000 14:35:39 GMT
I know I shouldn't feed the Trolls ... but this one is just so cute
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>
>You're an idiot for even considering Linux. Is this what my tax dollars are
>paying for?
no your tax dollars are going to pay for the Microsoft trial which there
wouldn't be in the first place if bill didn't try controlling a
industry ... *smile*
here are your fries, have a nice day, please drive through
>
>take a look at the real world and see how much Linux is hated and then come
>back.
ok takeing a real world look at linux ... server market up from 17% to 32%
in one year ... NT's market down from 90% in 1997 to 35% in 1999
thats hated?? only by Microsoft advacats ... but then again ...
the advacat ratio in windows is pretty low ...
>
>Linux sucks the big one....
>
it does? humm .. I havn't noticed a sucking ... I didn't see and
lips on it for it to be sucking anything ...
[sniped because the trol really doesn't care]
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I sometimes forget which side I'm on.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Yet Another Analogy: Military Aircraft.
Date: 8 Jun 2000 14:48:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Certainly the "anti-hydrogen lobby" as well as the "anti-German
> lobby" went for the easy contention that Zeppelins were German and
> dangerous. It would be most interesting if there were more to it
> than the hydrogen...
(I think I've seen the same programme.) I believe that the company
that made and operated Zeppelins covered-up what really happened
because it helped stop them from being taken over *completely* by the
Nazis[*] who the owner hated. I've seen both hydrogen and aluminium
burning, and I know the difference. (The colour of the flame for one
thing, and the heat given off for another!)
Donal.
[* No, this doesn't count as a Godwin-invokation... ]
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Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.2 Enterprise Edition
Date: 8 Jun 2000 14:54:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Streamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am curious, how can a commercial application keep itself from
> operating on any Linux distro except Redhat? I simply don't see how
> (unless they search for the Redhat name). Maybe that's the point.
Searching for the name is the only sensible way. And speaking as
someone who has done some support of (pseudo-commercial) applications
on Linux, I can fully understand their position. I've had great
trouble in the past even getting a single app to work on two closely
related versions of RedHat. In the end, I just created a humungous
static binary and stated straight out that I couldn't be bothered to
support it anywhere where it wouldn't at least start running. :^(
!"$!"*$^!"@#%$!^*^* glibc minor versions...
Donal.
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Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: SVGALib
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 08 Jun 2000 09:01:40 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Let's make this simple.
>
> 1. The guy wanted to do a screen shot.
> 2. If you are doing a screen shot the image is already on the screen
> yes?
> 3. Why does one need *.c code to capture an image already on the
> screen?
>
> That is my question.
Shut down windows and go into DOS mode.
Start up a random VGA DOS program.
Try and print the screen with the PrtScn button. It won't work 9
times out of 10 (only those programs which were specifically written
to accept the keystroke can do it).
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:06:31 GMT
On 06/07/2000 at 03:43 PM,
Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Then they aren't being very efficient about it. I got the numbers from
> the '99 budget for the city at their website:
> http://www.ville.montreal.qc.ca. Mind you, if you don't read french,
> you'll have a problem with it. Finally, what's the total amount Philly
> spent on snow removal? I extrapolated the numbers by dividing the money
> spent in 99 (slightly less than 54 million dollars) by the population of
> the city (slightly more than one million).
Which, since our dollar is worth far more than the Canadian dollar is far
in excess of the $50 CDN you claim Montreal spent. Moreover, your numbers
do not include the money spent by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania which
clears the major highways and many of the city's arterial routes such as
Route 1, Route 13, Broad Street, Front Street, State Road, etc., etc.
You must also factor in that our laws prevent us from dumping plowed snow
into rivers and streams. We must move it to vacant lots and wait for
mother nature to warm up and melt much of it. After a plow goes down a
street, we must send in front end loaders to put it in dump trucks and
take it to the storage sites. We do not pile it up to make walls along the
curb like some cities do. According to the clean water people, plowed snow
is contaminated, principally with salt.
Also, unlike Montreal, Philadelphia is a city of row homes with only 4
feet separating the front of the house from the curb. We have literally
hundreds and hundreds of miles of such streets which frequently run
unbroken for several miles which precludes merely pushing it aside.
> > And how can an anglophone live in Quebec and call himself free? If he owns
> > a store, he cannot advertise to his English speaking customers. He has to
> > send out his bills in two languages. He isn't allowed to list his address
> > as Potato Street since that street is now named Rue Pomme de Terre. If he
> > doesn't speak French, he cannot get a Civil Service job from what I've
> > been told by Francophones in Montreal.
> Yes he can. It's not like there's no english media here; however, the
> sign on the front of his store must have french predominant. I guess
> Crescent St (or Rue Crescent, if you're speaking in french) doesn't
> exist? (It's a big bar street; lotsa pretty girls... damned expensive
> too... and the name is english, not french.) As for the civil service
> job, well, I doubt that someone in Orlando who spoke only Swahili and
> not english or spanish would have a lot of luck in getting a position
> too.
Why is it then, that shops which cater to American tourists in the
Montreal underground mall have only French descriptions of the merchandise
in the windows, only list what they sell in French?
And as far as your example using Swahili, it is a farce. Someone living in
Orlando who spoke only Spanish can get many Civil Service jobs. I asked
specifically about an Anglophone. Your lack of a cogent answer proves that
he or she cannot be hired. Then the Anglophone is not free.
> > There are far more Asians living in Vancouver, BC than Francophones.
> > Street signs there are in English and French. How is that fair to the
> > Asians?
> No they're not... they're in English. Where did you hear that from?
I saw the signs to the major E-W highway listing nord, sud, est, ouest. I
saw the signs for exits in both languages, services in both languages,
while driving from Vancouver to Calgary in 1995.
> > What is the unemployment rate in Montreal and the Province of Quebec as
> > opposed to Canada as a whole, as compared to the rest of Canada without
> > including Quebec?
> Dunno, but I do know it's a lot better now than it was two-three years
> ago.
A non-answer if there ever was one.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:06:41 GMT
On 06/08/2000 at 02:34 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >Communism was a corruption of socialism.
> Thanks for the laugh for the day ;-)
> Bernie
And just what is humorous about absolute fact. Communism when spelled with
a Capital C as I did refers to what Karl Marx and his followers imposed
first on Russia and then other European and Asiatic countries.
When communism is spelled with a small c, it refers to a system of
governance in which all property is held in common and all work for the
common good. It was and still is practiced by many monastic orders of the
Roman Catholic Church such as the Jesuits, Augustinians, most if not all
Franciscans, etc.
The system of government called socialism is a system of government
wherein the means of production are owned and controlled to one extent or
another by the state. In the ideal, all wealth is equally shared with no
elite classes of citizens. In the practical, the bureaucrats who run the
state become a super-class with much more wealth than the common citizen.
Lenin, Stalin, etc. corrupted socialism into a system of government where
all property remained in the hands of the state, every action of citizens
was controlled, and despite the fiction that it was a classless society a
wealthy elite of bureaucrats who were members of the Communist Party
amassed substantial personal wealth, perqs, etc. They called the system of
government Communism.
As one of my high school professors, an Augustinian, so aptly described
true communism, you must first understand that Friar Knapp stood all of
5'3" or so and never weighed more than 110 pounds soaking wet. You must
also understand that Friar Eagen, known to all as Big Bill, never in my
knowlege of him weighed less than 350 pounds after a month long fast. Fr.
Knapp said, "Since we live in a communist society, I have every right to
go up to Fr. Big Bill and say, let me have a pair of our underwear. What I
would do with them I have no idea, but I have the right and he has the
duty to comply." The very thought left the 30 or so of us in tears of
laughter.
In the USSR or other Communist countries, citizens would not have that
right or duty. In a true communist society, members can critize the
leadership and are free to leave the community. Citizens of Communist
countries were not free to criticize nor free to leave. In a true
communist society some members do not grow fat while others literally
starve to death. That happened many times in Communist countries and does
in some parts of Africa ruled by Communist (or Marxist as they sometimes
call themselves) regimes. In a true communist community, the leaders are
elected by a ballot of the members of the community. In the case of the
Augustinians, the Prior is elected for a fixed term. Some are reelected,
some are not. The Prior is truly primus inter pares, first among equals
and only exercises limited control over the monks. He has no right to
punish, banish, etc. He generally settles disputes between members via
negotiation, conciliation, etc. In Communist countries, the Party Leader
exercises absolute control and is de facto a dictator.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:06:50 GMT
On 06/08/2000 at 07:01 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stephen) said:
> As for the orbit of the first man, no... Canadians were not
> involved.... That was entirely a Russian endeavour. However if you
> care to look up who ran the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo projects, you
> will find it was run by many Canadians. If you ever get to talk to an
> actual NASA employee of those years, they will fondly refer to the
> "Canucks" that ran the show.
For your information, the folks who ran the Mercury and Gemini program
were largely Germans. It was headed up by Werner VonBraun and his team
spirited out of Penemunde at the end of World War II.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:06:45 GMT
On 06/08/2000 at 06:12 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stephen) said:
> You don't understand, All I have to do is place your name and origin in
> the database (Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
> When you arrive and are questioned, you may be detained for
> questioning. Because you might pass through the border a few times
> before it happens is moot. Sooner or later you will be asked to
> identify yourself. When you do that, your name will pop up from the
> database, and voila. CAVITY
> SEARCH!!!!!
Your absolutely idle and baseless threats are meaningless. It ain't about
to happen.
And God Help you if it did! Your ass would be in court in Canada so fast
it would make heads spin.
First of all, asshole, you can't prove who was the Bob Germer who posted
those messages. Your courts require proof. How many Bob Germer's from
Mount Holly do you suppose there might be? I have three sons and 9
grandsons. And I have a first cousin by the same name.
Mount Holly is the post office which delivers mail to us. It delivers mail
to all or part of six different townships. My Driver License has the name
of the township in which I live, not Mount Holly.
The diversity between post office and legal address is quite common in New
Jersey. For example, citizens living in Washington Township, Gloucester
County get mail via five different post offices, none of which are
Washington. Thier licenses give the name of the township in which they
live. They may get mail addressed to Deptford, West Deptford, Woodbury
Heights, Glassboro, or Pitman depending on which community their residence
or business is located.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:06:28 GMT
On 06/07/2000 at 02:03 PM,
Alan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Excuse me? Excel is currently a _very_ valid choice for businesses; it's
> the one most are using and the Mac version is file-compatible with the
> version that most businesses choose (with some limitations since Office
> 2000, granted) and given that you can get client software to run a Mac
> on an 98/NT/2K network, or a Novell network there's really no problem
> using a Mac at such businesses.
I took part in a demonstration at a unit of Lockheed Martin. I loaded
1-2-3 for Windows on a high end Pentium II and a rather large spreadsheet.
We then tried to save it in Excel format. It "exceeds the limits of an
Excel spreadsheet" or words to that effect. The MS salesman loaded Excel
for NT. He tried to import it. Too large.
L-M is now a 1-2-3 shop.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:06:33 GMT
On 06/07/2000 at 08:02 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Much politial rhetoric deleted rather than repeat crap.
Speaking of the War of 1812, Dubious said of the war resolution in the
Senate:
> Dividing along sectional lines the
> " House had voted for war on June 4, but the Senate approved only on "
> June 18 and then by only six votes.
For your information, that was a substantial majority, idiot. In June
1812, there were only 34 Senators. While Louisana had been admitted
earlier that Spring, in the US, the official admission is as of July 4 and
the Senators and Representative(s) do not take office until after that
date.
Thus a margin of 6 votes, assuming all eligible Senators voted, rather
uncommon in those days, would mean a vote of 20-14. A politician who
garners 58.8% of the vote is considered a landslide winner in this
country.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:06:38 GMT
On 06/07/2000 at 11:42 PM,
Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > Ah. Compare and contrast with AppleScript, perhaps?
> I know nothing of AppleScript. REXX, however, can be used to do darn
> near anything in OS/2, including GUI, multimedia, and TCP/IP
> applications, and can be extended to use custom APIs of your own.
> There's also an OO version in the Warp 4 installation.
Applescript is more akin to a dos batch file than Rexx. It is much less
capable, doesn't allow direct compiling to an executable, etc. It is not
capable of TCP/IP, etc.
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