Linux-Advocacy Digest #105, Volume #27 Thu, 15 Jun 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
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Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
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Re: Linux & Winmodem (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Number of Linux Users ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 15 Jun 2000 23:35:28 GMT
On 15 Jun 2000 17:49:50 -0500, Tim Palmer wrote:
>The funny thing about you UNIX people is that you alwais say that UNIX is
>"easy" and then you come back and say you half to type some cryptic-as-hell
>command to do something simpal. My favarite is:
>
> rpm -Uvh
There are GUI utilities such as gnorpm so that dumbasses like yourself don't
have to type anything. Sorry, try again.
>The averadge user's favorite environmant is Windos. They don't put up with
>slow-as-hell substituits for good Windows apps like ShitOfice or PIMP. Force
>any non-geak uer to put up with GNOME and its endless delay's for even half an
>hour and they'll DEMAND to halve Windows back and never want to even here the
>word "Linxu" again.
Learn to post coherently ! If they want a decent Office suite, Applixware is
the best bet. Star is a POS, but it's also a free POS.
BTW, if they don't like GNOME, there's also KDE plus a zillion other choices,
most of which are faster than GNOME.
-- Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: 15 Jun 2000 19:46:26 -0400
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:37:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So exactly how is Linux going to unseat the already 90 or more percent
>of home/SOHO/desktop users from Windows and entice them into running
>Linux?
>
>How about Office suites?
>
>Sure StarOffice is free, it is free for Windows users also but
>virtually nobody uses it. Why is that? MSOffice carries a hefty price
>tag but is still the standard by which all office suites are gauged.
>Why is that?
>Figure it out for yourself.
>
>How about hardware support.
>
>Still using that Daisywheel printer? Dot-Matrix job you bought at an
>IBM fleamarket? I doubt it. Today's PC's come with state of the art
>hardware built in to the system. Sure some of it (modem?) might be Win
>hardware, but who really cares? It works...
The last Winmodem that I used would disconnect whenever I had
too many IE windows open, and also in a few other random
cases.
>Try that same combination under Linux and see what happens.
You have to install a real modem, but at least the modem
doesn't disconnect when the system is under load.
>How about all that fine software that was included with the price of
>your Walmart special PC. Guess what!! It won't work with Linux!!!!
>So you have to try and acquire equivalent versions of everything near
>and dear to you.
What "fine software"? WordPad? PC's come with almost nothing. You have
to buy every trivial piece of software you might need for $300 a piece,
and whatever doesn't cost money is the "trial version" and will stop
working and leave its DLL's all over your system after 30 days.
>Let's talk ISP's.
>Talk to Earthlink, Worldnet, FreeWeb, AOL, Compuserv and see what they
>think of Linux.
The truth is that the vast majority of national dial-up, DSL,
and cable ISPs are fully Linux-compatible, whether their sales
representatives know it or not. Digging up this minority of
services that all require their own special software doesn't
change this fact. It is painfully easy to find an ISP that
uses standard protocols such as PPP.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:50:21 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tiberious wrote:
>
> Subject:
> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
> system.
>
> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
> scanner and printer.
>
> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
> forth are easily accessible to the user.
>
> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
> other software.
>
> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
>
> Super easy.
>
> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
>
> Linux on the other hand?
>
> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
> 2. Barely supports the printer.
> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
>
> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
> the getgo.
>
> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
>
> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
>
> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
>
> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
> desktop system kills that reason.
>
> Sorry but Linux loses again.
And a VW bug beats an Indy car in speed trials.
I do this stuff with Unix all the time.
The majority of the time is taken up hooking up the printer.
Printer configuration usually takes about 30 seconds. No CD is
needed because the printer drivers are already there in the
/var/spool/lp heirarchy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:51:57 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:40:15 GMT, Cihl
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Tiberious wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
> >> system.
> >>
> >> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
> >> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
> >> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
> >> scanner and printer.
> >>
> >> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
> >> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
> >> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
> >> forth are easily accessible to the user.
> >>
> >> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
> >> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
> >> other software.
> >>
> >> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
> >> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
> >>
> >> Super easy.
> >>
> >> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
> >> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
> >> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
> >> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
> >>
> >> Linux on the other hand?
> >>
> >> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
> >> 2. Barely supports the printer.
> >> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
> >> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
> >> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
> >> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
> >> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
> >>
> >> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
> >> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
> >> the getgo.
> >>
> >> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
> >>
> >> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
> >>
> >> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
> >>
> >> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
> >> desktop system kills that reason.
> >>
> >> Sorry but Linux loses again.
> >
> >So? Is it Linux' fault for not having all the hardware drivers? OEM's
> >deliver drivers for Windows, Microsoft hasn't much to do with that.
>
> Tell that to an end user. It's all about results.
> Getting from A to B in the easiest, most cost
> efficient manner possible.
You have said nothing about capabilities, merely about details
of packaging.
SOME printers come with NT drivers, some don't.
Does that mean that LoseNT is inferior to Lose98?
>
> Is it Fords problem for not having built in baby
> car seats while Chrysler does? Guess what van the
> typical soccer mom drives? Guess why, in part...
> >Are you paid by Microsoft for this, or what? Advocating
> >Windows/Microsoft doesn't seem very logical to me. They already have a
> >big commercial marketing department. Your whining doesn't do shit.
>
> So in reality you have failed to address any point
> made, which makes YOU a LinoSHILL...
>
> >Have a nice day. Don't forget to blow Billy's cock, or he won't pay
> >you any more.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: 15 Jun 2000 19:57:17 -0400
On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:44:31 GMT, Simple Simon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 14 Jun 2000 17:53:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(WhyteWolf) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martijn Bruns wrote:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
>>
>>[sniped the simple simon]
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>Talk about ISP's.
>>>I just made a homepage, and it had a false link in it. (I use a
>>>plain-text editor :-) )
>>>It looks like my ISP is using Apache/1.3.12! I wonder which OS
>>>they use it with.
>>oh it gets better then that ... all of the ISP's he mentioned
>>use a UNIX and Apache combo ... one of them even used
>>Red Hat Linux
>
>
>Call them up and tell them you use Linux and see what they
>say...............................
>
>
They say "That's what we use. Do you have Red Hat?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: 15 Jun 2000 19:57:57 -0400
On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:44:31 GMT, Simple Simon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 14 Jun 2000 17:53:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(WhyteWolf) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martijn Bruns wrote:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
>>
>>[sniped the simple simon]
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>Talk about ISP's.
>>>I just made a homepage, and it had a false link in it. (I use a
>>>plain-text editor :-) )
>>>It looks like my ISP is using Apache/1.3.12! I wonder which OS
>>>they use it with.
>>oh it gets better then that ... all of the ISP's he mentioned
>>use a UNIX and Apache combo ... one of them even used
>>Red Hat Linux
>
>
>Call them up and tell them you use Linux and see what they
>say...............................
>
>
They say "That's what we use. Do you have Red Hat?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: 15 Jun 2000 19:59:58 -0400
On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:44:31 GMT, Simple Simon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 14 Jun 2000 17:53:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(WhyteWolf) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martijn Bruns wrote:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
>>
>>[sniped the simple simon]
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>Talk about ISP's.
>>>I just made a homepage, and it had a false link in it. (I use a
>>>plain-text editor :-) )
>>>It looks like my ISP is using Apache/1.3.12! I wonder which OS
>>>they use it with.
>>oh it gets better then that ... all of the ISP's he mentioned
>>use a UNIX and Apache combo ... one of them even used
>>Red Hat Linux
>
>
>Call them up and tell them you use Linux and see what they
>say...............................
>
>
They say "That's what we use. Do you have Red Hat?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: 15 Jun 2000 19:59:58 -0400
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:37:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So exactly how is Linux going to unseat the already 90 or more percent
>of home/SOHO/desktop users from Windows and entice them into running
>Linux?
>
>How about Office suites?
>
>Sure StarOffice is free, it is free for Windows users also but
>virtually nobody uses it. Why is that? MSOffice carries a hefty price
>tag but is still the standard by which all office suites are gauged.
>Why is that?
>Figure it out for yourself.
>
>How about hardware support.
>
>Still using that Daisywheel printer? Dot-Matrix job you bought at an
>IBM fleamarket? I doubt it. Today's PC's come with state of the art
>hardware built in to the system. Sure some of it (modem?) might be Win
>hardware, but who really cares? It works...
The last Winmodem that I used would disconnect whenever I had
too many IE windows open, and also in a few other random
cases.
>Try that same combination under Linux and see what happens.
You have to install a real modem, but at least the modem
doesn't disconnect when the system is under load.
>How about all that fine software that was included with the price of
>your Walmart special PC. Guess what!! It won't work with Linux!!!!
>So you have to try and acquire equivalent versions of everything near
>and dear to you.
What "fine software"? WordPad? PC's come with almost nothing. You have
to buy every trivial piece of software you might need for $300 a piece,
and whatever doesn't cost money is the "trial version" and will stop
working and leave its DLL's all over your system after 30 days.
>Let's talk ISP's.
>Talk to Earthlink, Worldnet, FreeWeb, AOL, Compuserv and see what they
>think of Linux.
The truth is that the vast majority of national dial-up, DSL,
and cable ISPs are fully Linux-compatible, whether their sales
representatives know it or not. Digging up this minority of
services that all require their own special software doesn't
change this fact. It is painfully easy to find an ISP that
uses standard protocols such as PPP.
------------------------------
From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux & Winmodem
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:48:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
> >
> > In article <8hp4k7$la6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > A quick question: I'm thinking of trying
> > > out Linux (probably SuSE), but
> > > I have a US Robotics Winmodem.
> >
> > I'm not sure if US Robotics is, but many of the Lucent Technologies
> > based "Win"Modems are now supported by Linux.
> >
> > The good news, you don't have to buy a new modem.
> >
> > The bad news, performance on both Linux and Windows NT
> > gets really slow if you try to put too much traffic on the modem.
>
> But with Linux, it's ONLY the apps that are relying on the PPP
> connection.
> :-)
Actually, it's everybody. The winmodem has no DSP chip, which means
that the OS must feeds the codec chip 8000 bytes/second in a specific
pattern. When there is no signal, a set pattern can be sent that takes
only a few microseconds to load and only needs to be reloaded every few
hundred milliseconds.
Unfortuanately, when you have real data to put on the modem, you must
calculate the values required for each bit and place those bits on the
codec, then you have to calculate where on the wave form you should be,
copy the rest of the wave form, and then let that play before returning
to the "pointer load".
Because even a 100 microsecond delay can result in a lost carrier or
false bits, this handler process must run at extremely high priority.
as a result, it affects all programs since it steals a greater portion
of the available bandwidth for itself.
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
--
Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 90 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 5%/month!
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:13:37 GMT
Even WebTv has a larger market share!!!!!
On 15 Jun 2000 15:07:03 -0500, "Drestin Black"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:7t625.2215$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> As the number of Linux users BOOMS to 0.3%. Is Linux taking over??!!
>>
>> http://websnapshot.mycomputer.com/systemos.html
>>
>> http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html
>>
>>
>
>oh my god, that was hilarious!! I loved it. Posted it on a BB here at work
>:)
>
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:21:47 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
> On 13 Jun 2000 14:02:55 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0200, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Tiberious wrote:
> >> [CUT the entire crap]
> >>
> >>The fun part of you guys posts is that lately you're atacking Linux on its
> >>lack of support for "home devices". This must mean that the server side of
> >>things is allready won by Linux - i can only agree on that.
> >>
> >>Regarding end-user PC's its very simple... simply just aquire devices that
> >>are supported by Linux..
> >
> >And you still cant get the hardwair to work together. Instead of being abal to scan
>something
> >and have it go strate to the printer or FAX, you half to save it to fial and
>cibvert it to
> >postscrit, and thats' just to print. FAX modems just don't work on UNIX.
>
> Sure they do. My Phoebe works just fine. As far as treating several
> peripherals as if they were one virtual dedicated device, that's also
> trivial.
>
> Any "necessary intermediate steps" can quite easily me made transparent
> to the end user quite without the necessity of some Win-style developer
> needed to dedicate time to the problem.
>
> There are even some shiny happy gui tools that do the "scanner as fax
> machine or copier trick".
He didn't look for them. Therefore, they don't exist.
>
> [deletia]
>
> Showing the world just how little you know about Unix seems to be
> a fulltime job for you.
>
> --
>
> |||
> / | \
>
> Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:20:39 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0200, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Tiberious wrote:
> > [CUT the entire crap]
> >
> >The fun part of you guys posts is that lately you're atacking Linux on its
> >lack of support for "home devices". This must mean that the server side of
> >things is allready won by Linux - i can only agree on that.
> >
> >Regarding end-user PC's its very simple... simply just aquire devices that
> >are supported by Linux..
>
> And you still cant get the hardwair to work together. Instead of being abal to scan
>something
> and have it go strate to the printer or FAX, you half to save it to fial and cibvert
>it to
> postscrit, and thats' just to print. FAX modems just don't work on UNIX.
>
> >I do not have any problems for my usage.. and i
> >guess 90% og users wont either.
> >
>
> If 90% of users enjoy not being abel to use 90% of their hardware they wo'nt have
>any prolblems.
>
> >Prepare to write much more of this in the comming months. In lots of
> >European countries it seems that the respective parlaments will force the
> >usage of open sourced software and operatings systems ..
>
> So thats' how Open Sores works. Nobody want's to run you're cruddy sotfwair, so you
As opposed to M$ closed and festering sores.
>run wining to
> the government so they can force everybody to give up what works for them in favor
>of something
> that is bearly functionall.
>
> Why do you even care? You don't even maik any monney from it.
>
> >In France there is
> >currently a proposol and a majority to shift to open source. In Germany a
> >similar proposal was made and the same is happening in the danish
> >parlament. I dont know of other countries... but this is a start.
> >
> >To make things even worse for Micros~1 major electronic retailers here will
> >offer PC's wiht Linux and StarOffice and one with Corel Linux and Corel
> >Office for the first time.. simply because students are demanding it.
>
> Wow. What a threat. As soon as people sea how slow StarOfice is compaired
> to Microsoft Ofice, theyll take their computer's rite back to the store.
>
> >
> >The future looks bright... but not yours if youre into Micros~1 advocacy..
> >wich is a joke by it self. Think one of the most profitable companys in the
> >world has some morons trying to market their software for them because they
> >feel sorry for them... What a joke
> >
> >Greetings to all lemmings
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:26:14 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:35:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:30:14 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:47:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 13 Jun 2000 14:02:55 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0200, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>Tiberious wrote:
> >>>>> [CUT the entire crap]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The fun part of you guys posts is that lately you're atacking Linux on its
> >>>>>lack of support for "home devices". This must mean that the server side of
> >>>>>things is allready won by Linux - i can only agree on that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Regarding end-user PC's its very simple... simply just aquire devices that
> >>>>>are supported by Linux..
> >>>>
> >>>>And you still cant get the hardwair to work together. Instead of being abal to
>scan something
> >>>>and have it go strate to the printer or FAX, you half to save it to fial and
>cibvert it to
> >>>>postscrit, and thats' just to print. FAX modems just don't work on UNIX.
> >>>
> >>> Sure they do. My Phoebe works just fine. As far as treating several
> >>> peripherals as if they were one virtual dedicated device, that's also
> >>> trivial.
> >>
> >>So why doesn't Linux?
> >
> > Repeating lies won't make them any more true, regardless of
> > how many times you repeat the lies.
>
> But you still haven't answered the original question.
>
> So why doesn't Linux......?
> >>It can barely put an icon in a menu when you install a commercial program like
> >>Wordperfect.
> >
> > Neither can Windows, if you didn't manage to hire a reasonably
> > intellegent student intern this quarter.
>
> Every Windows program that I have installed has put an icon either on
> the desktop or in the Starup->program menu and that includes the
> README and other information.
>
> Please provide me with an example of a current Windows program that
> does not?
>
> >>
> >>> Any "necessary intermediate steps" can quite easily me made transparent
> >>> to the end user quite without the necessity of some Win-style developer
> >>> needed to dedicate time to the problem.
> >>
> >>Yawnnn..... A twist on words.
> >>
> >>So if it is so easy, again why does not Linux do it?
> >
> > scanimage -d /dev/scanner | lpr
>
> Oh that's certainly something Joe Sixpack will remember..
scanimage: gee, that's SOOOOOO tough to remember
-d /dev/scanner: uh... scan using /dev/scanner as the device
yes, very, very complicated. Impossible to remember!
| : yes, pipes are pretty obscure to LoseDows9x types...
lpr : pipe output to the printer command
Yes, soooooooo fucking complicated...that only a LoseDows droid can't
remember it!
>
> You prove my point all the time....
>
> I prefer clicking on the icon that says "Scan image"
> >>
> >>
> >>> There are even some shiny happy gui tools that do the "scanner as fax
> >>> machine or copier trick".
> >>
> >>
> >>Sane is a bare bones abortion.
> >
> > How do the Windows variants "best it" exactly?
>
> Try them and you will see. I have used both Linux deviants and Windows
> versions and it ain't even close in terms of ease of use and
> comparability between programs.
> >[deletia]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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