Linux-Advocacy Digest #115, Volume #27 Fri, 16 Jun 00 09:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Debian (david parsons)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
(2:1)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
(2:1)
Re: Good books on writing a kernel. (2:1)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Sam)
Re: how do i change the system date? (mlw)
Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do .......
("James")
Re: Alpha vs Intel (mlw)
Re: The Trolls, oh The Trolls... ("James")
Re: Number of Linux Users (2:1)
Re: Number of Linux Users (2:1)
Re: What UNIX is good for. (WhyteWolf)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Debian
Date: 16 Jun 2000 01:44:00 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stuart Krivis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 11 Jun 2000 11:20:20 -0500, Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <Dor%4.1775$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pedro Coto wrote:
>>> I've heard a lot of hype about Debian GNU/Linux being
>>> better than another ones. Why ? What does it have ?
>>
>>High standards for release. So high, in fact, that they have trouble
>>getting releases (e.g., the current 2.2) out the door.
>>
>>Easy upgradability:
>>$ apt-get update && apt-get install apt && apt-get dist-upgrade
>>
>
>And they seem to be, unfortunately, more interested in ideology than
>Linux. Debian contributors seem to spend more time arguing about
>software licenses than they do coding. :-)
But you have to hand it to Debian that, even though they're a nest of
political correctness, they've got the nicest of the commercial Linux
distributions out there. I've not touched Debian itself, but I have
touched some of its derivative distributions (Corel) and the baseline
looks very stable and really really nice.
Linux has become a pigs ear, but Debian is making a silk purse out of
the chaos that is the Open Source(tm)(r)(c) world.
And Debian doesn't use RPM (which is an abomination before G-d.)
____
david parsons \bi/ RPM is good reason alone to nuke the Research
\/ Triangle from orbit.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:21:04 +0100
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Stephen Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8ich7m$r6v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >Windows 1.x software no longer ran under Windows 3.x. Most Windows 2.x
> > >software still ran under Windows 3.x (with warning to upgrade the
> software),
>
> One might note the timespan between Windows 1.x and Windows 3.x was about 8
> years. That's quite a while.
That's not enough. There is some software out there that you still need
that is no longer produces. Software companies went under, but that does
not stop the software becoming `bad' or uneeded.
-Ed
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:22:35 +0100
I also meant to say (but forgot) that the lifespan of other consumer
products is longer thasn 8 years. TVs, fridges etc can have lifespand
over 20 years. Technology may have improged, but they have become no
worse. Software is not different
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Good books on writing a kernel.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:28:26 +0100
I found one book very good for some things. I'll get back to you on the
name. It is a book on OS history and gives a very good view on how many
modern OS features work and why they are the way that they are.
-Ed
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From: Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:33:13 +1000
On 15 Jun 2000 18:14:23 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
>In article <8i949d$mvf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>John Bode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> It's all in how much time you're willing to spend learning the OS
>>> of your computer. Unix requires time.
>>>
>>
>>Which is Linux's biggest weakness as far as conquering the desktop is
>>concerned. Don't get me wrong, I've worked in a Unix environment for
>>most of my career, and we've installed Linux on a box at home, and it's
>>fun to have and play around with. But for a *large* portion of the
>>consumer market, it will require more time to learn than people are
>>willing to commit. Is it worth spending all that time if all you want
>>to do is play games, surf the 'net, and write the occasional newsletter?
>
>If Windows is so easy, why do schools have classes teaching people
>how to use it? Why do so many brochures about expensive seminars
>about every little detail appear in my inbox all the time?
>
>Is there some official estimate of how much time or money a year
>goes into Windows-related training?
What are you talking about ?
Where I work, a few people go to a Windows basics course of one or two
days duration, but most of the training is on applications like Excel,
Word or Access. They (as you should know) are quite complicated and
powerful programs.
Sam
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do i change the system date?
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:37:36 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> hi
>
> I want to change the system date of my linux machine.
> how do i do that?
>
> thanks
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
is you got RedHat, use "timetool" it is easy.
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do
.......
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:37:43 +0200
Please note that this newsgroup is intended for arguments FOR and AGAINST
Linux. Steve often identifies real (as opposed to imaginary) shortcomings
of Linux. Yes, perhaps he does have too many aliases, and perhaps he is
wrong from time to time. But this newsgroup will be very boring if everyone
just praises Linux. IMHO Linux has established itself as a server OS, but
has many miles to go before it qualifies as a decent Desktop. Critics, like
Steve, are there to point out these shortcomings.
It is all about democracy - and calling a spade a spade!
James
"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Would you take advice from a Ford salesman, trying to convince you
> that Honda's were crap ?
>
> What if he didn't actually know anything about cars anyway ?
>
> How about if he was so ashamed of his real identity, being
> a total liar and bs artist, that every time you went to that
> particular car yard, he had changed his name ?
>
> This is simon777, otherwise known as "Steve/Heather/Amy/Keys88" etc.
>
> He has been posting here for 2 years, and its always the same Wintroll
> stuff, clever but untrue.
>
> Do yourself a favor if you're a lurker or a undecided Linux user :-
>
> ** kill file him **!
>
> If you do, you'll have a LOT less stuff to read, and will be able to get
down
> to the nitty gritty, of good old Linux advocacy, without the lies.
>
>
> Is your time worth more than reading his lies ?
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Terry
> --
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,linux.redhat,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Alpha vs Intel
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:48:57 -0400
Ben Chausse wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I build a Intranet WebServer on Linux with Apache 1.3.12, mod_perl 1.49
> and PHP4 and I would like to know what will the best between a server
> with 2x667 MHZ Alpha Processer and a 4x700 MHZ Xeon Processer ??
>
> Also, except the 64-bits, what's the big difference between Alpha and
> Intel CPU ?
>
That is a very complicated question. A 600MHZ alpha should be faster
than a 1200mhz Pentium, just because of the bus width. An Alpha system
also has better I/O characteristics, and floating point.
That's just speed. There are a host of other issues involved. It is not
an easy this or that.
If you have access to both, setup both and do some benchmarks. Check
reliability. Check front side bus speeds, Check the disk subsystem. PCI
32/64? Memory? etc.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline
sharply the minute they start waving guns around?
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Trolls, oh The Trolls...
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:49:57 +0200
Yes, it is indeed sad. Anyone not seeing Linux as the absolutely best OS in
the world, a friendly and productive environment, of exceptionally high
functionality, excellent in all respects, MUST be mentally deranged, or must
be a TROLL, or must be Steve. Hmmmmmm ..........
James
"pac4854" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm beginning to get the impression that there's really only one
> individual behind all the trolling here, and that it spends most
> of its time getting new throwaway acccounts on free servers. All
> these anti-Linux diatribes are beginning to sound exactly the
> same, as if they were all generated from a fill-in-the-blanks
> script. And what's even worse, the script is outdated and
> contains obvious errors that keep showing up over and over....
>
> Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
> Up to 100 minutes free!
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:57:31 +0100
Otto wrote:
>
> "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> : If a product has increasing market share each year (which Linux has
> : achieved in the server os market), they are taking over.
>
> And if you look at which platforms were loosing market share during the same
> time periods, then you have the looser platforms. Hint, it's not NT....
Is otto simon777?
Hint.......
they both use the word `hint' like that
-Ed
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:01:32 +0100
> I'm not sweeping anything anywhere. I'm just stating that claiming
> that Windows is more buggy and/or bloated than Linux is ridiculous,
> considering that X is one of the most well-known resource hogs in
> the more technical circles.
That'a s good one to pick on. All GUIs are resource hogs. You would
simply be wrong to deny that. This is why Linux makes a muck better
server - you don't need the GUI. In fact, you can still do GUI based
remote admin WITHOUT a gui on the server. Isn't that nice...
-Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WhyteWolf)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: 16 Jun 2000 11:40:00 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote on 15 Jun 2000 10:56:18 -0500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>UNIX is very good at shuffelling text aroumd. LinoNuts call that
>>"powerfull". I call it "pointless".
>
>Yeah, whatever, d00d. Information shuffling (of which text shuffling
>is a subset) is the entire point of the Internet.
>
>Does one really need a full-fledged high-speed graphical
>connection just to run a program that writes to a file?
most likely if your him ... I"m not sure he could spell pico
right if it was sitting in front of him
>
[sniped]
>
>What stuff have *you* been smoking? Must be mighty good.
and does he have extra?
[sniped]
>>The Gimp is a joke when you compare it to Adobe
>>PhotoShop (by it and see for yourself if your not to chepe),
>
>Adobe Photoshop probably started out on Macs. (Anyone know for sure?)
as far as I recall it did ...
>>or even a good LOGO interporator.
>
>Oh yeah, I want Win2K just to allow kids to program in LOGO!
>
>Brilliant!
LOGO ... humm ... I remeber that from the apple IIe
even took a class in it when I was 14 ... ended up
figureing out a bunch of stupid Turtle tricks and have the
teacher steal them to teach to the class with out giveing
credit
>
>(IMO, one would be better off buying a used Amiga for that sort
>of thing, or perhaps an old Mac II. A top-of-the-line enterprise-
>ready operating system to move a turtle and deposit droppings?
>Feh.)
turtle droppings ... yeap .. sounds like Win2K to me
>
>>And if you do anything with grafix, you can only save a JPEG or
>>PNG (forget GIF's! their "pollitacolly incorrect",
>
>No, they're patented. Anyone who writes a GIF generator may be
>required to pay royalties.
>
humm .. I"ve saved in GIF with GIMP ... dont' see
what the problem is ... maybe he couldn't figure out
the fact taht it needs to have the gif libs compiled in
>Per picture, if I'm not mistaken.
>
>(And yes, I think that's stupid.)
defiantly stupid ... and very costly to a company
that does free software
[snip]
>>So what is UNIX good four? Prettending its' the 1970s, i gess.
>>Look mommy, I'm the Sysadmin! You can be my user. Type "elm"
>>if you wan't to rede your e-mial,
>
>As opposed to your atrocious spelling.
whats wrong with bad spellins? I"s dos it alls the times
>
>(Granted, Netscape has some weird-ass bugs, and likes to crash
>too often for my tastes. But it does have a MIME-compliant
>mail reader and can display animated gifs. And it doesn't get
>infected by stupid viruses written in Visual Basic!)
humm most of the bugs I had with netscape were JAVA related
I disabled JAVA and have had it crash about 90% less
altho it is still a resource hog on my 166 with 32 megs ram
{I know ... I keep it for sentamental reasons}
>
>>e-mails you write get sent once a week thru UUCP,
>
>Oh gosh. You're *really* reaching if you have to go that far back!
>UUCP died out 5 years ago, if I'm not mistaken; Unix boxes have
>understood how to find the Internet host for a particular email
>address for at least that long.
>
please tell me it anit so ... UUCP was so fun to play with
in the spare time while jumping from ISP to ISP
back in the old BBS days it was fun to bounce the FIDOnet
off a UUCP chain of servers mainly cause it worked faster
and was cheaper in long distance charges
>>and look at this it's real kewl! If you want to chat, with the other
>>users you can type "write",
>
>Or 'irc'. (Hey, Unix users can read RFC1459 too. :-) )
or sevral other of the irc options avalible if they don't want
ircII or EPIC ... like BitchX {really jsut a EPIC script}
kvirc, sirc, xchat, xirc ... etc. etc. etc.
seems UNIX user not only can read RFC1459 ... we can understand it
fully ;-)
>
>>but you'll always be the only user logged in anyway. Oh, and the CD drive,
>>sound card, scanner, printer, modem, graffics card, and floppy
>>drive arent' working annymore
humm .. i couldn't install windows on this system anymore cause the
cd-rom wasn't suported .. I just put a Red Hat disk in and set the
bios to boot from cd-rom ... and pow ... a new os is installed
next time I change cd-roms remind me to stick with linux ...
sence I don't need to change cd-rom drivers with it
>
>They aren't?
>
>Lessee.
>
>cdrom: /dev/cdrom
>Floppy: /dev/fd0, /dev/fd1, /dev/fd[01][DH]*
>Sound card: various, typically /dev/audio, /dev/sequencer, /dev/dsp,
>/dev/midi*, and /dev/mixer.
>Printer: /dev/lp*
>Modem: /dev/modem (symbolic link) or /dev/ttyS* (unless it's a WinModem,
> which sucks anyway)
most often the modem dev is /dev/ttyS1 and the mouse is
/dev/ttyS0 {unless you have a god awful ps/2 mouse}
>Graphics card: this one might not have a device proper, although some
> variants might use a framebuffer device. There are also OpenGL
> libraries.
>Scanner: Dunno, don't have one; SCSI scanners might use /dev/sg0;
> some distributions might have /dev/scanner.
>
>You were saying?
>
>>like they did when we had Windoas, but thats' only because they were
>>all propietrary and bad and stuff. We just half to get new ones,
>>thats' all.
>
>You might want to get new ones anyway. Higher quality stuff
>always works better. :-)
yes it does ... but then again ... some of use can't afford
the new ones so we use the old ones .. that still work
and work good together
>
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