Linux-Advocacy Digest #123, Volume #27 Fri, 16 Jun 00 14:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Drestin is not worthy! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linux app spec... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Processing data is bad! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: The Trolls, oh The Trolls... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do
....... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Thinking of running Linux? Read this first before you (aflinsch)
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (Jacob W.
Haller)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (Chad Irby)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Steve Jones)
Re: Processing data is bad! (Tim Kelley)
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Dave Vandervies)
Re: Processing data is bad! (Tim Kelley)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Drestin Black")
Re: Number of Linux Users ("Drestin Black")
Re: Number of Linux Users ("Drestin Black")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Drestin is not worthy!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:57:50 GMT
On 16 Jun 2000 16:05:48 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:8id9i5$iv0$17$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>> BTW, is it normal for OE to crash, when shutting down RealPlayer?
>
>> When SuckPlayer..er... RealPlayer is involved, nothing is sacred.
>
>> You're lucky it hasn't destroyed your whole system from the inside
>> out.
>
>When realplayer dies on my linux machine, nothing at *all* happens
>to the operating system or any other process.
Whatabout freeing up any device nodes?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:00:11 GMT
On 15 Jun 2000 17:49:50 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What the hell is a "fullword descriptor", and how many MAN paiges
>or HOWTO's do you have to read to get to that part?
Shit! You _almost_ spelled a whole sentence correctly! Just one
measly word!
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 16 Jun 2000 11:55:33 -0500
In article <jsd25.3574$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We even set up Samba so they could edit their stuff by connecting to a
>> share. That got messy to do after MS improved things with encrypted
>> passwords though. It didn't really improve security any since it isn't
>> a full challenge-response protocol, but what the heck. Just put in an
>> NT server and that'll be all solved.
>
>I think that arguing that MS's security is inadequate, therefore
>they shouldn't have tried to improve it in the first place is probably
>not such a hot argument.
I'm perfectly happy to stick to the argument that they did
not improve security, and that was not what they were trying
to do. They did make it more difficult to use samba servers
on unix systems instead of NT. This wasn't an accident.
>[snip]
>They do bundle weaker products with stronger ones. But they
>do have more than one product that people want, ya know.
And they bundle products that go out of their way to make the
competitors program appear broken when the opposite is really true.
>> My problem with your simple explanation is that they often seem to do
>> things in a way that locks out other products or that forces the use of
>> some other product of theirs besides the wanted one. That seems to be
>> what the DoJ has been objecting to as well.
>
>This isn't true. I realize that it's popular in some circles to accept
>all that the DoJ says as the gospel truth, but it ain't so.
>
>MS is very gung ho about interoperability.
How then do you explain their attempt to destroy java as a portable
language? You can't use your stock argument that all of the
interoperability problems they cause are just accidental with this
one where they went to court to show that they know what they are
doing and demand the right to continue it. And it is just like
the cheap-imitation-posix case. They want to force you to write
programs the only run under windows, and if they can't force you
by supplying an unusable portable API, they will trick you into it
even if you try to use a portable language.
>> It sure seemed like the plan was to sell
>> the client and thereby encourage ISP's to put in NT servers to support
>> it. The Unix stuff was so broken at first that it was really quite a
>> laugh riot. Oh, and they didn't support it either. The port was done
>> by a third party company. I'm sure that was just because the multi
>> billion dollar giant of the software world couldn't figure out how to
>> do CGI scripting on Unix.
>
>I really do object to this whole "they didn't give *us* an easy to use
>front end, too!" line here. MS is not obliged to write software for
>Apache just because you would like to have such software.
That is not the argument. They first supplied a client that required
special non-standard services on the server side. This would be
bad by itself, leveraging the desktop monopoly to force the
installation of matching servers from the same vendor even though
they are really less suited to the real job. But then they supplied
extensions to some of the existing servers that were broken and
insecure. If you can't beat your competitors product, break it...
>> Leveraging a monopoly in this way is illegal.
>
>Very dubious. Very dubious indeed. I know the DoJ said it,
>and I know they found a judge that bought it, but it's still
>a very strange interpretation of the law.
Isn't the law pretty specific about this?
>> That's the reason for
>> the anti-trust case. The DoJ picked the browser market to argue the
>> case, but there are many others they could have used.
>
>Yes, that's what makes this so scary. The DoJ really seems to think
>they should be micromanaging software design in general.
No, just enforcing the law in general. It would be much scarier
if they didn't do that.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Linux app spec...
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:02:06 GMT
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:24:41 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mingus wrote:
[deletia]
>> dialogs, etc. A program could be certified a Linux 1.0 application
>> that would need to support these features. A home user could then
>> easily choose which software to use instead of randomly trying to sort
>> though cryptically named programs that are close to impossible to
>> properly setup.
>
>Names are not cryptical in Linux, often they are acronyms.
Plus, you need not go looking for them. If a command calle pine
is correctly installed on your system all you need to is just
"run pine".
>
>> Lets say they wanted a mail client. Pine offers none of the above as
>> far as I know yet something like MS Outlook does. Obviously MS Outlook
>> does not yet exist for Linux but you see my point.
>
>Pine is covered in dust and cobwebs, only to be used over long
>distance telnet-sessions. Try the new KMail. Simple, fast and
>flexible. Just the way -i- like it.
Pine predates any version of Windows that has any resemblance
to that product that is called Windows Today.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:04:32 GMT
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:23:45 GMT, Mingus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:32:20 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>As for me, I'll stick with my arcane 1970s, useless, uncool, not shiny
>>commandline, and spend all day `shuffalling text fials'.
>
>
>That's terribly exciting... just how many text files do you have?
If you don't mind how they decode, they're ALL text files.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: The Trolls, oh The Trolls...
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:05:58 GMT
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:32:01 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>James wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it is indeed sad. Anyone not seeing Linux as the absolutely best OS in
>> the world, a friendly and productive environment, of exceptionally high
>> functionality, excellent in all respects, MUST be mentally deranged, or must
>> be a TROLL, or must be Steve. Hmmmmmm ..........
>
>Hmm... Did i smell a faint hint of cynism? Or is that just me?
Cynicism here? Perish the thought.
There's so much BS to wade through in here that genuine
criticisms can get lost in the noise.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you
do .......
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:07:35 GMT
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:41:06 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>James wrote:
>>
>> Please note that this newsgroup is intended for arguments FOR and AGAINST
>> Linux. Steve often identifies real (as opposed to imaginary) shortcomings
>> of Linux. Yes, perhaps he does have too many aliases, and perhaps he is
>> wrong from time to time. But this newsgroup will be very boring if everyone
>> just praises Linux. IMHO Linux has established itself as a server OS, but
>> has many miles to go before it qualifies as a decent Desktop. Critics, like
>> Steve, are there to point out these shortcomings.
>> It is all about democracy - and calling a spade a spade!
>>
>> James
>>
>
>I have no problem with someone actually bringing up a real problem with
>Linux and discussing it rationally. My problem is with the guy (like
>Simon/Steve/Mike/Whatshisfuckingnametoday) that comes in here screaming
>at the top of his lungs (figure of speech) that Linux doesn't support
>anything but Postscript printers or another made up bunch of lies. Then
...this is the bulk of the anti-Linux posts, with the rest
being typically made up of people that can't even give any
details when asked WHY is is that FOO is better than BAR
(like Gimp vs. Photoshop).
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:10:04 GMT
On 16 Jun 2000 12:51:37 EDT, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> >I suppose you think a mouse can't be a feature of a CLI, either ?
>>
>> They violate the 'ease of learning' aspect of WIMP.
>
>For everyone? How so?
You should never have to crack open a manual for a GUI application,
especially one that is not meant for specialized professional use.
[deletia]
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Thinking of running Linux? Read this first before you
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:02:14 -0500
Tim Palmer wrote:
> >For $1.99 you can try any distro you wish and draw your own
> >conclusions.
>
> For $1.99 is't not even worth it. You end up spending all day trying to get the
>thign to work
> only find out that it's still in it's earley testing phazes.
>
Did an upgrade of Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1 Saturday night. Shutdown,
inserted the first cd and rebooted. Answered a few questions, sat down
to read a book and drink a beer. Swapped disks about 90 minutes later
(I wasn't paying attention to when the prompt for the second disk
popped up), sat back down and cracked open another cold one. About 45
minutes later (wasn't paying attention to when the prompt came up
again) answered a few more questions about the system, and rebooted,
edited a few config files that worked as they were installed, but I
wanted to change anyway and reconfigured a few packages that were not
included in the distro and had kernel specific parameters. Around 1000
packages were upgraded overall.
Total elapsed time, about 3 hours, most of which were spent sitting on
the other side of the room, enjoying a good beer, and reading a crappy
book, far cry from all day if you ask me. Would love to be able to sit
down read a book and drink a few cold ones while trying to upgrade a
windows machine.
BTW, lsl.com had the cdr's half price this month, 2 cd's .99 each,
even saved myself a penny.....
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacob W. Haller)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:27:02 GMT
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[. . .]
> You should never have to crack open a manual for a GUI application,
> especially one that is not meant for specialized professional use.
I disagree. For instance, just because you're using a GUI newsreader
doesn't mean that you will automatically know to check what newsgroups
you're posting to when you reply to a message so you can remove the ones
that are not relevent to the discussion. This advice could be
profitably laid out in the manual (or in the online help), which then
could profitably be read before posting.
Please stop posting this incredibly off-topic and dull discussion to
talk.bizarre.
Thank you,
jwgh
--
"Too many animated controls will bog down even the fastest machines.
It's best to use only the lowest common denominator elements on your Web
pages to assure they will run on all systems. A blank page is ideal."
-Carlton Egremont III, /Mr. Bunny's Guide to ActiveX/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 16 Jun 2000 12:23:02 -0500
In article <11p25.4511$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >If they can get MS Office, can they not also get a good
>> >telnet client?
If MS can write MS Office, why can't they write a working
telnet client. Do you think they would refuse to, if
it were not in their interest to make the remote servers
that you use through telnet look bad?
>> Of course. But they could also get a web browser.
>> Their HTML help system doesn't justify the expense
>> put into IE.
>
>I think IE has more utility that just being the help system,
>really. :D
Yes, the real purpose is to encourge everyone to use non-standard
html and java that makes the competitors products look bad.
>> Hey, we're users too. Telnet is marginal for talking to
>> an NT system, but very useful for talking to a lot of other
>> devices on a corporate WAN.
>
>That's nice.
Not for Microsoft who would rather sell you servers to replace
all the other operating systems you currently use.
>Telnet is still marginal at best for an NT system.
>
>Demanding that MS is *obliged* to provide support
>for your stuff *just* because you want it, darn it, is
>pretty weak. The demand for a kick-butt telnet isn't
>there.
Then they should drop it instead of supplying one that
doesn't work correctly. I suppose you think there is
no demand for a standards-conforming web browser or
JVM either.
Les Mikesell
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From: Chad Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:11:41 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> If the interface you are using bears a strange resemblance to how
> you would effectively use a DOS version of Word Perfect, then it is
> indeed really just a CLI sanitized for your peace of mind.
That's an interesting thought. Any examples, or are you hoping someone
will let this slide?
--
Chad Irby \ My greatest fear: that future generations will,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ for some reason, refer to me as an "optimist."
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From: Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:46:33 -0500
Thats correct. the real loosers are the HW makers for not actively
persuing a growing market. could it be that their products are broken
in a way that they will only work on a broken OS. ( that's not fair of
me since I do use 98 and nt occasionally with some bleeding edge HW)
--
If I lean to the left it's because one leg is longer than the other.
"Robert L." wrote:
>
> For the 2 part you have buy, do this.
>
> Put the cdrom on the cdrom tray.
> mount it ( mount /dev/cdrom )
> go to the good directory ( cd /mnt/cdrom/driver/linux )
> install it ( ./install )
>
> What? there's no Linux directory on the CD. Please verify corectly....
> Ah, no you are right, there's no drivers for Linux on the CD.
>
> Go to the manufacturer website. Send them an e-mail saying there's no driver
> for Linux on the cdrom. They will send you an e-mail with a Linux driver.
>
> If they don't do this, the companie have a really poor tech support. You
> should simply stop buying they hardware. And by the same way, send an e-mail
> here saying which companie didn't support their hardware so we won't buy
> the product anymore.
>
> "Tiberious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[remove propoganda]
> >
> >
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:46:08 -0500
2:1 wrote:
>
> Mingus wrote:
> > That's terribly exciting... just how many text files do you have?
>
> lots.
>
> In fact tonight, I'll remember to do a
>
> find / grep -v '^/dev/.*' | xargs file | grep -c text
>
> and tell you exactly hoe many text files I have. Now can anyone tell me
> how to do that under Windows?
Duh. You just pick through every directory in explorer, counting
each one. It's *that* simple. Try THAT on unix!!!
--
Tim Kelley
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Vandervies)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: 16 Jun 2000 17:12:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dave Vandervies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Dave Vandervies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> -Really awful implementation for people who don't like to point and
>> >> click - `Local User Files:Binary and Executable Files' vs.
>> >> `/usr/local/bin' - 'nuff said. This can be redone, but why bother when
>> >> it's already been done right in the Unix world?
>> >
>> >Don't you have filename-completion?
>>
>> It's still easier to type
>> /u<tab>/lo<tab>/bi<tab>
>> than
>> :Lo<tab>:Bin<tab>
>> because it doesn't require shifted characters or path separators.
>
>It does on a german keyboard ;-)
Very well then; anybody using a German keyboard (and any other one
where '/' is a shifted character) can ignore one more of my arguments
in favor of the Unix way of doing things. :) (Either that or hack up
a shell that recognizes some unshifted character as a path separator,
but that could get ugly.)
dave
--
Dave Vandervies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remember, amateurs built the Ark. It was experts that built the Titanic.
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:48:44 -0500
2:1 wrote:
>
> Cihl wrote:
> >
> > Try the CLI at the highest resolution your monitor can handle. It
> > looks really cool.
>
> Unfortunately, I can't get SVGATextMode to give me anything better than
> 80x50, all I get are fuzzy streaky unsynced lines all over the place.
You need to use the console video drivers built in to the 2.2
series kernels.
If your card isn't supported you can get a cheap Matrox
millennium card that will do 1280x1024 full color console,
although I find anything greater than 800x600 is too small to
read. Very nice and sharp ... beats the heck out of
SVGATextMode.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: 16 Jun 2000 12:53:20 -0500
"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ibfo6$70d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > again - actually prove something.
> > GO ahead, we are all waiting.
>
> > You talk and talk and pose and waste space but have you proven anything?
> > Lets see a deja url, how about that microphone? how about that laptop?
>
> Wow, you really should wait until you read all of the posts regarding
> a specific topic before you reply, huh?
>
> > have you actually done ANYTHING other than selfmutilation and
> > selfhumiliation?
>
> I invented a radon detector which was 61% more accurate in 50% of the
> time by utilizing a cylindrical gamma vector detector and a box of
> doughnuts as inspiration. I also came up with a way to accellerate
> an estherification reaction between n-butyl acetate and and ethyl
> alchohol without exothermic results. I know how to make Saurbroten,
> I understand The Dubliners, and I know how to tie my own shoes.
>
> And I can change the toner cartridge on any printer.
>
ALL of which does nothing to change my opinion that you are computer novice
and not qualified to discuss the things you pretend to understand and never
provide any factual information for.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: 16 Jun 2000 12:58:20 -0500
"Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> If a product has increasing market share each year (which Linux has
> achieved in the server os market), they are taking over.
>
>
> Drestin Black wrote:
>
> > "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Where Linux is superior now (as a server), it is in fact taking over.
> >
> > really? how does being in the minority indate "in fact taking over."?
>
Only if the market size itself isn't increasing.... which it is.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: 16 Jun 2000 13:01:37 -0500
"Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> If a product has increasing market share each year (which Linux has
> achieved in the server os market), they are taking over.
>
>
> Drestin Black wrote:
>
> > "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Where Linux is superior now (as a server), it is in fact taking over.
> >
> > really? how does being in the minority indate "in fact taking over."?
>
And what if the portion of the marketshare that Linux "takes over" is that
share that once belonged to other Unixes and the Mac and "Others" - it's
definately not taking over any of the NT share.
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