Linux-Advocacy Digest #486, Volume #27 Wed, 5 Jul 00 23:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: What's the scoop on the new KDE gui? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner? (Michael Marion)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows
Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm (Aaron
Kulkis)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (John Dyson)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the scoop on the new KDE gui?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:12:11 -0400
piddy wrote:
>
> It better come soon. It better be good or Linux will be
> confined to geeks forever.
What are you talking about? It's already easier to use than LoseDOS
> Where is up to date info on it and gnome?
>
> Hope this helps
>
> piddy
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:14:27 -0400
Rich C wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Rich C wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rich C wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rich C wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You said you did destructive stress testing for _what_ company?
> :o)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All decently-built battery backups have these things called
> > > > > > ....circuit breakers.
> > > > >
> > > > > And the purpose of popping the breaker would be..........???
> > > >
> > > > To keep from damaging the solid-state components inside.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, what's the purpose of _intentionally_ popping the breaker by hooking
> up
> > > a 1500 watt blowdryer, as you suggested?
> >
> > To TEST whether the system can handle that kind of load BEFORE
> > putting your computers on it...
> >
> > DUHHHHHHHHHHH
> >
> >
> > It might pop, it might not. The point is, you don't know until
> > you test it.
> >
>
> Oh, I see. Most of us simply look at the rating on the breaker.
It's easier to plug in a hair dryer than to tear the thing apart
to see if it will carry a 1500W load.
If it trips, just reset it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner?
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:13:38 GMT
Tim Palmer wrote:
> Its better than UNIX. On UNIX if your downloading a file you cant evan make new
>connectian because of "host name lookup
> faleure". Windo's doesn't halve this probelm at al.
Whoah, you're hallucinating again Tim.. time to back off the crack pipe!
I've downloaded more then 12 files at once myself simultaneously. I've
done that using command line ftp programs (ncftp) as well as using
netscape. And it's _never_ caused a dns failure.
Moron.
> Because your trying to run '2K on a 586 in only 64 GB of Meg.
Really?!? Runs like shit on my Athlon 650, 256Meg PC-133 RAM,
Geforce256 AGP card too..
It's definately more stable then 9x for watching TV and DVDs though.
Too bad every game I've tried on it is either useless or dog slow.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
_Charlie_: "That was beautiful! I got chills! What side of
whose bed did you wake up on?" From _The Mask_
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:14:04 GMT
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:52:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:20:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:47:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:38:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>>You'd love Linsux.
>>>>
>>>>Try it sometime....
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:17:02 -0400, sandrews
>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Pete Goodwin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me see what does Linux not support on my system...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Even though Linux detects my USB ZIP 250 drive, it does not work.
>>
>> ...and something else. After a quick perusal of some of the
>> common storage sales sites it's become rather obvious that
>> you have to be somewhat of a fool to bother with ZIPdrives
>> to begin with.
>
>
>Sour grapes.
...nope. I've never liked proprietary storage media. This is
especially true of Iomega which I have found problematic in
support in the past.
Quite simply, zipdrives are not the optimal solution either
in terms of device compatibility, media compatibility or in
terms of cost.
>
> Linux doesn't support it so automatically it is no good.
That has not been established here actually. All we have is a couple
of shill's word on it. That doesn't mean squat. Similarly, I would
still dissuade an end user from getting a Lucent based winmodem despite
the available Linux drivers.
Stupid is stupid and vendor-lock storage media is stupid.
>
>
>> First there is the compatibility issue. ZIP being a highly proprietary
>> format is likely to NOT be available on some arbitrary workstation.
>> Even if that machine does have a zip drive there is considerably
>> likelihood that it would be only a 100M drive.
>
>Ahhh yes the proprietory (aka competition produces better hardware we
>all can use), argument.
>
>Sour grapes again.
Nope. The media itself is proprietary. Whereas a floppy will at least
be readable in nearly any machine you can find with a floppy drive in
it. The same can be said of CDROMs. The same could even be said of
a parallel or USB fixed disk.
I don't know to what extent ZIPs are supported and quite frankly I
don't care. I prefer not to have my data held hostage to a particular
corporation if I can avoid it and I certainly can.
>
>> Then there is the cost of media: ~ $20 a pop. CDRW's and CDR's while
>> perhaps slightly more inconvenient (although that really depends on
>> the UI) are only ~ $1 or $2 for nearly 3x as much storage.
>
>Think laptop....
...which would very likely be better off with a larger fixed disk
and a network interface (much like an iMac).
>
>> Now, back to that compatibility issue. Considering that you likely
>> can't expect a random target to have a zipdrive you will likely need to
>> take your entire subsystem with you rather than just the media. This
>> also presumes that the workstation you will be targeting is infact
>> running an OS and version that even supports USB.
>
>
>You're trying to justify your own lame points here.
I can take my CD's anywhere I want. It's the same "runs everything"
argument that you would push on us if the tables are turned. Except
now you are trying to find reasons to squirm.
>> Now, once you go to all that trouble now what's the point of having
>> removable media? For as much as a 250M zipdrive will set you back
>> (not even getting into the cost of disks) you can have yourself a
>> 10G external fixed disk in a USB chasis.
>
>Think laptop....
Why? Both devices are external storage and have their own external
power supplies. Except the fixed disk solution delivers 5 times
more storage at the same cost.
>> This would be another good example of being bit in the butt by
>> buying "the first random piece of crap you find at compusa".
>
>
>Which chances are won't work with Linsux.....
That's why you don't buy any random piece of shit you find and
actually act as if you are part of the invisible hand and not
just some market spectator.
Although, regardless: the external fixed disk solution will
be cheaper, more modular and more compatible. However, the
important part here is CHEAPER.
>>>
>>> My 250M+ external storage technology works just fine in Linux.
>>> It won't put undo burdens on anyone who might want to actually
>>> read that data either.
>>>
>>> (although, as others have already stated: others seem to be
>>> a bit luckier than you when it comes to this particular hardware).
>>
[deletia]
With the advent of a standardized external expansion bus for Kludge
Klones, removable harddisks are making less and less sense.
--
It only takes a little bit of bad luck to negate the whole benefit
of "runs everything" for a particualar end user.
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/ | \
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:18:33 -0400
Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Laura Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The Sokos Family wrote:
> >
> >> Linux can be free, but only if you really know what you are doing and
> >> have access to a reasonably fast network connection.
> >
> >Just cos I do it myself doesn't make it free. Paying for the CD is
> >cheaper than DLing it myself, if you count the value of my time. Plus I
> >can use that CD to save other people time and trouble too, so it's worth
> >a lot for the convenience.
>
> It shouldn't take any more human time to download than to order
> a CD, and substantially less if you actually go to a store and
> buy one. And if you have a CD writer you can still give away
> copies.
>
> >> Make sure you use a monitor that can do at least 1024x768. Linux
> >> is worse than windows in lower screen resolutions (IMHO).
> >
> >I have a monitor and vid that can do anything, but when I tried to tell
> >setup that during install it wouldn't let me specify the monitor's
> >parameters, I had to choose from a short list of standard settings, none
> >of which was correct. I have no idea how to set non-standard settings.
>
> If this is Mandrake 7.1, run Drakconf, then click the big
> 'change X resolution' button. Hit 'cancel' from the first
> screen and you'll get a menu offering 'change monitor' among
> other things. If you pick 'Unlisted' you can enter your own
> numbers.
Make sure you have your monitor's timing specs on hand when you do this.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:22:35 -0400
Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> It was the Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:49:26 -0400...
> ...and Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You've fallen for Pete's trickery. He didn't say Linux, he said UNIX. Pete
> > > wants people to believe that no UNIX can handle power outages, even after I
> > > explained to him that JFS on AIX is a fully journaled file system that can
> > > easily handle pulling the plug at any time.
> >
> > HP, SUN, and IRIX also have equivalent journaled filesystems.
>
> Nearly every Unix has. Linux is a bit late.
confirming my point...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:23:59 GMT
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:48:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:15:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:39:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:18:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:48:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ...they could give as little of a hoot with NT or an iMac
>>>>> as well. There is USB hardware or PCI cards that are either
>>>>> unsupported or just "kinda-sorta" supported on either.
>>>>
>>>>Every USB device I have worked on my Windows machines, all 4 of them
>>>>and also on my newly purchased iMac.
>>>
>>> So? The second USB device a colleague of mine tried under NT5
>>> failed to be supported. It was a webcam.
>>
>>My hardware worked under Win98 and 2k without any checking at all. I
>
> So? You are not the last word in NT5 support. Just because
> you managed to be lucky it doesn't mean that others will.
>
> Your arrogance is imply astounding.
What arrogance? My hardware worked fine under 3 completely different
platforms, iMace, Win98se and Win2k, without even checking.
Linux was dead at the starting gate as usual.
And you expect people to switch to Linsux?
Talk about arrogance..
I can hear it now:
"Oh sure you can have the privilage of running Linsux and all of it's
antique looking applications if you dump all of your hardware an buy
new stuff"
Yea right....
>>simply bought it. The iMac support was a bonus since I just bought
>>that machine last week. great machine BTW. Blows Windows away....
>>> He could have bothered to check the vendor for support first but
>>> then again he could have done the same thing for Linux or even
>>> amigaOS PPC.
>>
>>Amiga is dead just like OS/2 and soon to be Linux....At least in the
>
> Actually, new game titles are in development for the Amiga.
Oh yea?
I didn't know Tetris was going to be released. It's only 15 years too
late.
> Although it doesn't matter. As long as you can hook up devices
> and get good use out of them, such pronouncements are meaningless
> FUD.
But that's exactly the point. Under Windows you CAN. Under Mac you
CAN. Under Linux?
Good luck!!!
>>desktop market.
>>>[deletia]
>>>
>>> See the sig.
>>
>
> OTOH, Linux will allow you to exploit modern printers, contemporary
> 3D hardware accelerators, consumer grade video overlay boards, pro
> grade video capture boards, network and scsi cards of various kinds,
> SCSI and USB peripherals and even the odd DVD decoder or two.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:24:04 GMT
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:05:06 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:09:12 GMT, someone claiming to be jedi wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 03:24:55 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>
>>>On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:43:42 -0700, someone claiming to be Peter Ammon
>>>wrote:
>
>>>>An IRQ conflict occurs when the Windows demon-gods arbitrarily decide to
>>>>prevent your various pieces of hardware from working together until you
>>>>prove your devotion. You can prove this by spending several hours in
>>>>the Device Manager changing obscure numbers and rebooting to see if it
>>>>works. Watch out: the demon-gods will throw obstacles in your path.
>>>>Some pieces of hardware can't use certain IRQs. Others require multiple
>>>>IRQs. Some combinations of IRQs won't work. Sometimes the IRQs have to
>>>>be in a certain order. And if, in the end, your tortured sense of the
>>>>rational survives, then all the bounty of Windows shall be yours...until
>>>>you want to install something else.
>
>>>Which is the fault of Windows .. why, exactly?
>
>> ...because it claims to be able to CONTROL such things.
>
>Where, precisely, is this claim made? I've only ever seen statements
www.microsoft.com
>about managing PnP hardware, not controlling IRQs on every possible
>piece of hardware.
The hardware in question was pnp hardware actually. You've
established for yourself that the hardware in question was
infact acting as a PNP device.
So you've refuted yourself actually.
>
>> There are very few circumstances these days under which an
>> IRQ conflict should occur. One of them is onery hardware.
>
>Which is the fault of Windows .. why, exactly?
That is what an Operating System is for actually. This is
especially true for one that's billed as being a buffer
zone between nasty arcana and the novice end user.
Those pesky novices just might buy the "wrong" expansion card.
>
>> Some vendors just don't like to play nice. Alternately, the
>> OS could just fall down. WinDOS liked to ignore the settings
>> on my ISA cards and override their hard jumpered settings
>> causing all sorts of grief.
>
>On which cards did Windows ignore the hardwired settings?
A DTC2278 (standard settings) & Linksys EtherLan 16.
--
It only takes a little bit of bad luck to negate the whole benefit
of "runs everything" for a particualar end user.
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/ | \
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:26:40 -0400
Michael Marion wrote:
>
> Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> > (BTW, ReiserFS is *incredibly* fast. A find over a directory tree with
> > several tens of thousands of files will be finished in less than a
> > minute.)
>
> Ouch.. you weren't kidding. I just did a find on my two linux boxes at
> home on /usr. The P2-350 with UW-SCSI drives and a 720Meg ext2fs /usr
> took about 2-1/2 minutes, while the Athlon 650 with EIDE (non-ata66)
> drive 2.1Gig Reiser /usr took 50 seconds!
>
> Sure the system/CPU speeds will make some difference, but that's still
> quite a large margin.
In this test, the CPU speeds are insignificant, as both CPU's can
process data at over 10,000 times as fast as the disk drives
can pass it out.
In nearly all systems, the primary processing bottleneck is the
disk drives.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:25:37 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >You want Liberty for buyers on the slave labor of add on developers.
>
> You have the trappings of being a capitalist yet you expect
> to be able to use other's work for free. That is simply
> absurd.
>
Actually, a gift is a gift. I don't argue against using the
GPL, but argue against using the GPL as a FREE LICENSE. If you
wish to give software away, then issue it under a free license.
If you don't wish to give it away as free, then don't use a free
license, and the GPL is a good example of a non-free license.
I really don't care (from a philosophical standpoint) whether or
not an individual issues the software under a free license or
under GPL. It is inaccurate to say that the GPL is a free license
though.
Please quit creating straw arguments. It would be interesting to
see any non-straw or non-messenger attacking arguments though.
I enjoy the continued moral justifications of the GPL, that are
just not responsive to the issue of it not being free :-). It
is becoming quite entertaining...
<The rest of your posting elided due to fuzzy and confused thinking,
continuing to confuse the issue with needless discussion trying to
morally justify the GPL, when the issue is that the GPL isn't free.>
All morally justifiable documents and licenses aren't necessarily
free, and when you understand that, then you will be 'freed' :-).
Attacking the incorrect and clearly wrong assertion that the GPL
is 'free' doesn't actually attack the GPL itself. By attacking
the assertion, the advocates that continue to lie about the
attribute of the GPL are being challenged. There has been nothing
but faulty straw arguments to discount the claim that the GPL
isn't free.
Lies and clear misstatements about my position are also straw
arguments, and alas, common around here...
Next...
John
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:27:31 GMT
Matthias Warkus wrote:
> It was the Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:32:01 GMT...
> ...and Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Hallock) wrote in
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > >ext2fs is not journaled. Reiserfs is. Which has nothing to do with
> > >your statement
> >
> > Reiserfs isn't exactly the default fs is it?
>
> Who cares? SuSE ship ReiserFS with their latest distros.
Mandrake 7.1 has it now!
>
>
> (BTW, ReiserFS is *incredibly* fast. A find over a directory tree with
> several tens of thousands of files will be finished in less than a
> minute.)
>
> mawa
> --
> comparing VMS and Unix is like comparing cancer and leprosy
> -- Richard Harter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:30:46 GMT
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:05:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:51:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:17:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:43:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Oh I see you have had experience with kppp.....
>>>>
>>>> I haven't used anything so primitive in quite a while now.
>>>
>>>Yea, but guess what gets automatically setup, well sort of, when you
>>>install Mandrake? And guess what the average Joe is going to use?
>>
>> An average joe with a clue is going to be using DSL or
>> cable which is trivial to set up in Linux and always
>> has been (Linux being more LAN centric).
>
>
>You're kidding here?
>
>Tell that to all the folks running Windows 98SE which sets up internet
>connection sharing without the user actually knowing one damn thing
>about networking.
...assuming that what they want to do is EXACTLY covered
my Win99's canned scripts.
>
>Look at how many questions are in the Linux Network group from folks
>trying to do the same thing under Linsux.
There are less options than the equivalent set of dialogs
in Win9x actually. That includes all of the Win9x's not
merely the latest version of the payware.
>
>How about all those nice CD's that come from ISP's with all the
>software on them for setting up the dsl connection. Do they work under
>Linsux? Doubtful
There's notthing to setup.
>
>Setup.exe is your friend.
This just shows how miniscule your experience is.
"setup.exe" needed for LAN networking in Win32, indeed.
You don't even have a clue about the OS you shill for.
>
>
>>>
>>>You actually believe these folks are going to screw with ppp-up and
>>>ppp-down scripts?
>>>
>>>Get real....
>>>
>>>
>>>Linsux in and of itself is primitive...
>>
>> Nope, it's network pipes that are crawling along at 8Kb/s that
>> are horribly primitive...
>
>
>Nobody gives a shit about geek speak. they can setup internet
Joe Sixpack will when he wonders why all of his streaming
media is stuttering and why the entire web seems so damn
sluggish.
Being too stupid to understand the speedometer is simply not productive.
>connection sharing as well as basic networking out of the box. Linsux
>fails yet again unless you feel like playing with all kinds of config
>files, even if they are already written, you still have to know about
...or some kind soul might choose to give you a self contained
installer that would have the same effect as any other canned
installation for Windows.
Or you could managing the harrowing task of <gasp> appending
a document file...
>and find them.
>
>Sorry, Linsux loses yet again...
>>[deletia]
>>
>> The only people still using those are likely AOL fodder
>> and can't even filter their own spam even in the likes
>> of Outlook.
>
>Whatever....
>
>Think Market share. You want Linsux market share? Think Aol...
>
>> Out of reach is out of reach whether it's a meter or a light year.
>
>Like Linsux. Out of touch and out of reach for the average consumer.
>
>Face facts, they can't even give the POS Linsux away....
Actually, quite a few people seem to be doing quite well selling
the thing.
>
>What kind of market share do you think Windows or Mac would have if
>all the software was given away for free?
It is all given away for free. What kind of cluebie are you?
--
It only takes a little bit of bad luck to negate the whole benefit
of "runs everything" for a particualar end user.
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