Linux-Advocacy Digest #72, Volume #28 Fri, 28 Jul 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451736 (Tholen) (Marty)
Re: Why is "ease of use" a dirty concept? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Some Windows weirdnesses... (Steve Mading)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451736 (Tholen) (tholenbot)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man! (Marty)
Re: Some Windows weirdnesses... ("Philo")
Re: Some Windows weirdnesses... (Steve Mading)
Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another one of
Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality ("Zepp, a weasel in the corn")
Re: Changing LILO in Mandrake? ("ostracus")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Poor stupid Aaron, pity his woman. (Clell A. Harmon)
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451736 (Tholen)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:12:08 GMT
tholenbot wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > tholenbot wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > tholenbot wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > tholenbot only has one identity, Slava.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Incorrect, Eric.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Prove it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Identity #1 - tholenbot
> > > > > > Identity #2 - Eric Bennett
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Bennett is not an identity of the tholenbot, Slava. Hava you
> > > > > ever seen the tholenbot post as Eric Bennett? No. Only the
> > > > > reverse occurs.
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect. No one but tholenbot posts as tholenbot, just as Batman
> > > > recites Batman's lines in the Batman movie, "Batman".
> > >
> > > Illogical, Marty, given that Batman was reproducing someone else's
> > > script.
> >
> > Illogical. The script was copied well in advance of the filming of the
> > movie. It need not be copied subsequent times by the actors unless they
> > were careless and left their copies at home. Of what relevance is this
> > latter case to Batman reciting Batman's lines in the Batman movie, "Batman"?
>
> Typical obfuscation tactics. Do you deny that Batman was reproducing
> someone else's script, Marty?
I have not been privy to any information which would lead me to believe that
Batman was photocopying a script. Meanwhile, I see you have failed to answer
the question.
> > > > > Of course, it takes decent reading comprehension skills to
> > > > > recognize that fact.
> > > >
> > > > How ironic, coming from someone who failed to comprehend the facts.
> > >
> > > Who?
> >
> > Don't you know?
>
> Why do you think I asked, Marty?
I prefer not to guess. I've noticed that you haven't answered the question.
Interesting.
> > > > > > I wonder how Joe Malloy would react to the news that you've been
> > > > > > making allegations about him giving "posting lessons", Eric.
> > > > >
> > > > > Strolling down irrelevancy lane again, Slava?
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, I don't care
> > >
> > > I see you didn't answer the question, Marty.
> >
> > On the contrary, I see you have failed to comprehend my answer.
>
> What alleged "answer"?
More evidence of your reading comprehension problems.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why is "ease of use" a dirty concept?
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:06:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > If it's there, and been there for a year, then why
> > can't someone use it. If it can be used, merely point
> > out how it can be accomplished.
> >
> > IOW: cite an example.
> >
>
> I really don't know why you keep complaining about this. Here is my
understanding
> of the situation:
>
> 1. Xdnd did not exist at the time KDE 1 was developed, so of course
Xdnd could not
> have been put in KDE 1 at the start.
> 2 When Xdnd was finalized, KDE 2 was in the works.
>
> 3. A tradeoff had to be made. Rework KDE 1 to incorporate Xdnd and
delay KDE2 or
> put all effort into getting KDE2 out the door. Personally I think
the right
> decision was made.
Allow me to add a 3.5 item:
3.5 No desktop or toolkit, except KDE, Qt and JX, had announced
intentions to use Xdnd. GNOME had announced intentions NOT to use
Xdnd, but to keep using Xde. So, interoperation with GNOME, which
would have been an argument for pushing a Xdnd-KDE1, was not there
for a few more months.
> 4. Beta versions of KDE2 with Xdnd have been available for quite some
time.
> 5. KDE2 is due out shortly - in a few weeks is my understanding.
>
> You could complain that it is taking too long for KDE2 to be done.
But this is a
> massive effort and is free open source. You could always volunteer
to help.
Well, you see, that's the whole thing with jedi. He can not, ever,
volunteer to help at anything. He's a spectator. He's just part
of the landscape.
And he whines.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some Windows weirdnesses...
Date: 29 Jul 2000 00:11:35 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:50:36 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
:>As for "decent browser", Netscape is one of them -- although it's
:>a bit tricky to manage decent fonts -- and it does have the disgusting
: In case anyone's tracking this thread in hope of more information ...
: For info on "decent fonts" in Netscape, check out the font howto
: http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/font_howto/
: There are two main problems with fonts in Netscape --
: (a) They're too small ( because it defaults to 75dpi ). This can be
: fixed.
I actually don't see this as a problem, myself. I really like
the small font sizes, as I consider Windows browsing to waste
excessive screen real-estate. It only becomes a problem when
the website designer decided to shrink the font size a lot because
he's using Windows to view and he has a similar taste to myself
(prefers small writing). When the normal size is already rather
small, doing a <FONT SIZE=-2> makes it illegible.
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451736 (Tholen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:30:44 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > Don't you know?
> >
> > Why do you think I asked, Marty?
>
> I prefer not to guess. I've noticed that you haven't answered the
> question.
> Interesting.
"I'd prefer not to guess."
> > > > > > > I wonder how Joe Malloy would react to the news that you've
> > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > making allegations about him giving "posting lessons", Eric.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Strolling down irrelevancy lane again, Slava?
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, I don't care
> > > >
> > > > I see you didn't answer the question, Marty.
> > >
> > > On the contrary, I see you have failed to comprehend my answer.
> >
> > What alleged "answer"?
>
> More evidence of your reading comprehension problems.
Impossible.
> I have not been privy to any information which would lead me to believe
> that
> Batman was photocopying a script.
Just because you're not privy to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, Marty.
> Meanwhile, I see you have failed to
> answer
> the question.
Your question was irrelevant, given its incorrect basis.
--
Prove that African swallows are non-migratory, if you think you can.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 28 Jul 2000 19:29:02 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Drestin Black in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> [...]
> >hahahaah - you can't even pretend believably. trivial eh? [...]
> >SQL server does it 3 times as fast for half the price as Oracle. And
that's
> >Oracle on it's best day...
>
> You dig yourself deeper into the "clueless" pile with each post,
> 'Drestin'. There most certainly isn't *anything* that SQL server (that
> bad mangle of Sybase that MS has been pretending to be a real RDBMS
> contender for years now, entirely unsuccessfully outside of "true pink"
> shops) is faster at than Oracle.
I will use small words and easy sentences so even someone so completely
clueless and fucking ignorant as you will understand.
#1) You are wrong.
#2) Here is 100% solid proof of my facts and your error:
http://www.tpc.org/new_result/ttperf.idc
You'll notice that all 5 of the top 5 results are on Windows 2000. You'll
notice that 4 of the top 5 use SQL Server. You'll notice that the only
showing of Oracle AT ALL in the top 10 is at the bottom. And it's much more
expensive. And it's MUCH MUCH slower.
There is the facts. Compare to my statement. You will find that you are
compeletely in error and you owe me an apology. But I doubt you have the
honor to recognize your error nor acknowledge your owing me an apology.
db
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man!
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:27:30 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:22:17 GMT, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Why does "I find it nauseating" need to be backed up with facts? Those were
>
> It's a meaningless statement by itself and is entirely subjective
> and without any real meaning. It has NULL informational value.
So why did you get so uptight about it then? I'm sorry for you that you'd
rather I not share my opinions, but that's not going to change my behavior.
You're always free to bury your head in the sand, and you seem quite familiar
with this technique.
> >the words I actually wrote. What does that translate to in your mind?
> >You've got a serious problem there guy.
>
> The translation: "I have no clue what I want, and wouldn't know
> what my ideal interface would be if it bit me in the ass."
Does that happen before the signal reaches your brain, or is there a malady
internal to your brain causing it to happen? At least in the former case, it
may be treatable.
> Personally, I think you're just a mindless troublemaker.
How ironic.
Meanwhile you've again leapt up onto your high horse and told me,
matter-of-fact, that I don't know what I'm talking about while offering no
credentials of your own. Your words are worthless and frankly I'm surprised
you know how to use that new-fangled "internet" thing at all.
Perhaps for the next discussion you'll have the decency and mental facilities
necessary to read what was written as opposed to making up what you wanted to
see written.
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From: "Philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some Windows weirdnesses...
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:27:12 -0500
Hey, thanks for the info...
at the age of 51 i have noticed that my reading ability is not quite what it
used to be so the larger fonts are really nice. One of the main reasons I
usually boot to windows and OE rather than Linux and Netscape...is quite
simple;
i need something i can read without my glasses.
hey only old people need reading glasses!
ahum
Philo
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some Windows weirdnesses...
Date: 29 Jul 2000 00:28:29 GMT
Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Russell Wallace wrote:
:>
:> Tim Kelley wrote:
:> > The problem is if you start adding features it will be unreliable
:> > ... that's the point. There is very little for FAT to keep track
:> > of so it does not have much data to corrupt.
:>
:> So it does come down to reliability vs features after all? Then give me
:> reliability :)
: ummm ... I don't think so. There are some very basic features
: one needs in a file system, such as permissions.
That has nothing to do with the problem Russell is talking about,
though. The corruption-on-powerfail problem is purely becasue of
the way the cache is managed and nothing else. In Unix, there is
a heck of a lot more cacheing going on, and while this makes disk
access more efficient, it's done in a way that leaves open a time-
window in which the data on the drive disagrees with itself. If
the power dies right then, the files that were currently being
written to are inconsistent and the filesystem is corrupted. Some
Unix filesystem implementations are more susceptable to this than
others.
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From: "Zepp, a weasel in the corn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another one
of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:22:46 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:08:30 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>MH wrote:
>>
>> > > >> >> You're one of those people who thinks that the U.S. Government is
>> > > >> >> perfect
>> > > >> >Absolutely not. it's FAR too socialistic.
>> > > >> In what way?
>> > > >AFDC
>> > > >Social Security
>> > > >WIC
>> > > >HUD
>> > > >Dairy price supports
>> > > >Food Stamps
>> > >
>> > > I'm sure that the real reason Mr. Kulkis objects is a lack of
>> > > virility in this stuff.
>> >
>> > The above programs constitute SLAVERY...as the productive
>> > people in society are forced to support the lazy and
>> > unproductive.
>> >
>> > All federal Government welfare programs are unconstitutional.
>>
>> Another one of the new "compassionate conservatives".
>
>Exactly how is it "compassionate" to steal from someone who is
>productive to pay the lazy to sit around and do nothing?
>
>
>> Which to honest, I
>> can't figure out for the life of me. Same logic here says no abortion, no
>> food stamps, no soup for you. But once the kid is born, the hell with 'em.
>> Only the strong survive here. If you develop an illness and lose your job,
>> you're SOL. If you're raped and become pregnant you're SOL. If you develop
>> any sort of problem that impedes your ability to provide for yourself,
>> that's right, you're SOL.
>
>Ever hear of this concept called "personal responsibility"
This line, if nothing else, shows why Libertarians have dropped to .6%
in the polls, and are still dropping.
Murder by neglect is still murder. Personal responsibility INCLUDES
social responsibility. We aren't animals.
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is just another government program that doesn't work very well."
- Stephen Bright of the Southern Center for Human Rights.
For political commentary by Zepp, visit
http://www.snowcrest.net/zepp/zeppol.htm
For links to all things Liberal/Leftist, go to
http:/www.snowcrest.net/zepp/lynx.htm
Warning: Contains ideas
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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From: "ostracus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Changing LILO in Mandrake?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:39:48 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cap'n) wrote:
>
> I'll admit I'm somewhat of a newbie to Mandrake Linux, and this is probably a
> stupid question...but, I need the answer.
>
> I just installed Mandrake 7.1 on my system in a dual boot with Win98. My hard
> drive is in four partitions:
>
> Partition 1: Win98 system files (1.5 GB) - hdc1 Partition 2: Win98 programs
> (8 GB) - hdc2 Partition 3: Linux Swap (133 MB) - hdc6 Partition 4: Linux
> Native: Mandrake Distro (2.3 GB) - hdc7
>
> After I installed Mandrake and LILO, Linux is the first boot option and loads
> Mandrake after 10 seconds, unless I type Windows. I want to set it up so that
> Windows boots after 10 seconds, unless I type Linux.
>
> What's the easiest way to change this in Mandrake? Or if someone could point
> me to a Mandrake HOWTO Web link for this, I would appreciate it.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> *** The Cap'n ****
If you want to go the gui way. Login as root. Type "linuxconf" in an xterm
then select "boot mode". Then select "change default boot configuration". Pick
which one corresponds to your OS. Accept,accept,accept. Your now set.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 28 Jul 2000 19:42:05 -0500
<Laugh>!!
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip utter joke>
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 28 Jul 2000 19:46:01 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
> > > > > Rem I - input number
> > > > > Rem F - endian-flipped number
> > > > > Rem S - Size of word, in bytes
> > > > > Rem assumption: bitwise operators like "AND" and bit-shifts
> > > > > are unavailable
> > > > > Rem Storage protocol value 0x12345678
> > > > > Rem Little Endian Big Endian
> > > > > Rem Example (Vax, Motorola 68x00) Example: IBM mainframes
> > > > > Rem Location
> > > > > REm M 1 8
> > > > > Rem M+1 2 7
> > > > > Rem M+2 3 6
> > > > > Rem M+3 4 5
> > > > > Rem M+4 5 4
> > > > > Rem M+5 6 3
> > > > > Rem M+6 7 2
> > > > > Rem M+7 8 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > int I
> > > > > int F
> > > > > int S
> > > > > int N
> > >
> > > Corrections:
> > >
> > > INTEGER I
> > > INTEGER F
> > > INTEGER S
> > > INTEGER N ; Rem THERE, is that better?
> >
> > Nope. Still wrong.
>
>
> Go get an Apple ][ and get back to me, asshole.
>
Guess what.... GOT ONE
Guess what... It don't run!
Guess what - you are a wanker - go back to playing with yourself.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 28 Jul 2000 19:46:03 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> DIM is only used for arrays. I didn't use any arrays, MORON.
>
>
and yet another error - ahhhh yes... loooooser...
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 28 Jul 2000 19:46:04 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > >welll guess what Aaraon - you couldn't be more wrong. I don't think
there
> > >are barely 10 lines in that code that would eactually execute.
> >
> > Considering that there were only 4 lines of actual *code* in there, that
> > is hardly surprising ;-)
> >
> > And while the intrepid coder has demonstrated more familiarity with C
> > than with BASIC, he at least managed to provide a working algorithm ---
> > unlike both you and Perry....
> >
> > He also provided pretty damn good commenting on his code. So out of 10,
> > he'd lose two marks for the syntactic problems (there is nothing easier
> > to fix than syntax problems!), and get 8 out of 10. Make that 6 or 7 for
> > not documenting one of the important (and non-obvious) assumptions.
> > That assumption is that those integer variables actually do division
> > like unsigned integers do in C --- which quite possibly isn't true for
> > for variables declared as "int".
> >
> > Then there is the issue of "which BASIC are we talking about?". For
> > the argument's sake, it should probably be ANSI BASIC, at which point
> > it is fairly likely that not a single poster in the group could manage
> > a non-trivial program without a lot of RTFM first.
>
> I don't know ANSI basic, so I relied on what i do know:
>
> VSBASIC as found on IBM System 370
> Microsoft BASIC as found on Apple ][ and Apple ][+
> Microsoft BASIC as found on Commodore 64
>
> the code I wrote was valid syntax on all three platforms, (outside
> of the stray left-paren ")" character).
>
no, it was not and you STILL can't spot why!
Mr. 15 lanaguages - hahahahahaha
simple BASIC and you can't even get it right.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clell A. Harmon)
Subject: Poor stupid Aaron, pity his woman.
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:45:54 GMT
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:47:13 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> No wonder you can't get laid.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >my gf says otherwise.
>> >> >> >hehehehehehe
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yeah, she says 'No'.
>> >> >
>> >> >To YOU...
>> >>
>> >> Is THAT what she told you? Tsk, tsk. Why do women lie like
>> >> that? Didn't you wonder why she was so relaxed the next day? You
>> >> haven't been doing the job boy.
>> >
>> >Question: What country are we in?
>>
>> The one where...
>
>Translation: he doesn't know
Poor Aaron, getting all prissy when the truth about his oh so
frustrated better 2/3rds (sorry Aaron, she let slip your 'size
problem') gets out.
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