Linux-Advocacy Digest #202, Volume #28 Thu, 3 Aug 00 10:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? (Seán Ó Donnchadha)
Re: Changing LILO in Mandrake? (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451760.3n78^-.000000000001 ("Joe Malloy")
Re: one of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Is there such a thing as a free lunch? (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Seán Ó Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:19:17 -0400
On 3 Aug 2000 12:40:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip) wrote:
>>
>>They claimed that IE is now a part of Windows, which it clearly is.
>>But IE and the Windows OS are no more "inseparably glued together"
>>than the Bourne shell is "inseparably glued" to Unix. In both cases,
>>the component in question is "just another app", but simply remove it
>>and you'll end up with a system that doesn't boot.
>
>This is simply not true.
>
It's true for typical desktop Unix configurations. Embedded systems
are obviously different.
>
>A shell is not executed untill called either
>directly or indirectly by one of these and is not absolutely
>necessary.
>
Same with IE. Like I've shown, you can configure Windows such that it
doesn't load Explorer (or any of the IE components it depends on) at
all.
>>>
>>>And how do I run win98 without running explorer.exe??
>>
>>Change the "SHELL=" line in SYSTEM.INI.
>
>Ok fine. Now tell me how I can have two different types of default
>login shells shells running at the same time for two different users
>to be logged in at the same on Win2k (via terminal server).
>
I haven't used Terminal Server, but on NT/Win2K the shell for each
user is specified in the registry at
HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/Microsoft/Windows NT/Winlogon/Shell.
>>
>>Who cares how they market it?
>
>They market it deceptively.
>
How, by calling the package an OS? What do you think they should do?
Call it an "OS + apps" or an "OS distribution"? Maybe they should
invent a new term?
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Changing LILO in Mandrake?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:23:27 -0500
Andres Soolo wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ...accept UNIX like dum abbriviations and call it LILO.CONF.
> lilo.conf , not LILO.CONF . The spelling is not the only thing
> that matters.
>
> By the way, if you don't like abbreviating then why don't you
> try to write `GNU/Linux' without abbreviating as a little home
> assignment? :-)
Hehe, you are expecting TIMMAY! to actually be able to complete what is
essentially a spelling assignment. And that little bit of thinking
required before the spelling begins should pretty much finish him off.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Women are always anxious to urge bachelors to matrimony; is it
> from charity, or revenge?
> -- Gustave Vapereau
I love that quote, how 'bout this:
Women often inspire men to create masterpieces, and then prevent them
from finishing them.
--(I believe it was Oscar Wilde)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,soc.singles,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:35:35 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >What part of "volountary exchange of goods and services" do you
> >not understand?
>
> That's a very idealistic view of capitalism, something that
> suggests some college student who has just discovered the works of Ayn Rand.
>
> And this view of capitalism has often been used to defend
> Microsoft, which Mr. Kulkis hates.
FALSE PREMISE And you know it, YOU GODAMNED LYING BASTARD!
Microsoft's contracts are anything BUT "volountary"
>
> --
> Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came...
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:36:57 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> Nonetheless, if a corporation you own stock in gives money to Al
> >> Gore, there's not much you can do about it. If you're not happy
> >> with a corporation's policy, the only thing you can do about it
> >> is sell your stocks. That does about as much good as voting.
>
> >If enough people feel the same way, the price of the stock drops.
>
> However, "love it or leave it" tends to be very inefficient.
Actually, it is VERY efficient.
> Mr. Kulkis has not been moving to a libertarian utopia, to name
> just one example.
Not moving to a place which does not exist is not failure.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:38:59 -0400
Arthur Frain wrote:
>
> Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >Besides, in case you haven't notices, the tax-funded schools
> > >are absolute, complete SHIT right now.
>
> > From a grove of birch trees it came.
>
> I think Aaron must mean Purdue - you know,
> the tax-funded school he attends.
As an out-of-state student, my tuition was NOT subsidized by the
state of Indiana. Every dime of costs associate with me being
a student at Purdue came out of MY pocket.
>
> Arthur
>
> .
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:38:30 -0500
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:KnNh5.8483$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:39879d71$0$33843$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > You dare to claim "unix boxes are essential to running
> microsoft.com?"
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes. And based on the existance of Unix boxes at microsoft.com,
> > > > Microsoft believes this, too.
> > >
> > > Prove it or continue to be considered the poorest liar on usenet
> >
> > Let me take this opportunity to greet you, Mr. Black. If you've read my
> > posts I think you know that I am a Windows advocate. I hope that you take
> > this the way that I intended it as USENET can mask the intentions of the
> > most well mannered poster but I fail to see what you hope to gain for we
> > Windows advocates by posting things like this? If you have a personal
> beef
> > with these folks, and I think that you do if Mr. Kulkis is to be believed,
> > then I suggest that you counter him in a more appropriate forum. Like the
> > parking lot. nix folks are, in my experience, less concerned with
> physical
> > fitness than Windows folks are with the former preferring donuts to
> barbells
> > :-)
>
> Mike (and others) - understand something. I'm a nice guy, really. I almost
> never lose my temper or rant or go on like I do here. This complete idiot
> kookus has been dogging me with his pet abracadabra for some time now.
> Exmine the trail of their posts and you'll find they follow me to every post
> I make. there is not a single post I've made that they do not insult and
> antagonize me every step of the way. I prove my points and document my
> claims and they ignore it and continue to try to insult me and anything I
> mention. This aaraon is the newest in the group and he is the stupidest so
> far. his claims are so far from reality and his "fact" are so unbelievable
> and yet he spues them further and faster than I can even dare expect. So, I
> do not have a personal beef but he has pushed me to the point where my
> replies to him are far far less professional or respectful as I have for
> anyone else I converse with. As I said, you have to see the history to know
> how long this has gone on for why I reply as I do. I have more respect for
> lice than I do those two. I'm sorry if this offends others.
May I respectfully point out that if you shit on the altar in church you
are likely to get the same reaction from people.
You come into a *nix group (through your cross-posting), you spout out
how terrific you think Windows is, you back up your claims by sayin, "I
provide facts" without actually doing so, you hurl insults at any *nixer
that has an opinion different from your own, you flat out attack any and
all positive *nix claims, you make up negative *nix claims (your recent
'Linux can physically destroy your hard drive' thread where you casually
neglect to mention it is an IDE/ATA problem but insist that it is a *nix
problem), you insist you are superior to every *nixer on the planet
simply because you know Windows, you insist we are a 'cult', etc., etc.,
etc. and then you expect to get a positive reaction from everyone in the
*nix group where you start your attacks.
I'm sorry, but if you want to spout your crap in the Windows groups, go
ahead. But we have enough flamewars amongst the various *nixers (on
differing opinions, with actual facts backing up both sides, imagine!)
without someone constantly telling us how inferior we are because we
don't use Windows. Use what you want, we'll use what we want, leave us
alone and we'll leave you alone.
As for the current Wintroll argument that you are just 'paying us back'
for whatever idiotic Lintrolls hang out in your Microsoft groups, please
save it. I see crap from people like you every day and I have yet to
start an attack thread in any MS advocacy group. In fact, were it not
from people like you cross-posting I probably would have never posted in
any MS advocacy group at all. Just knock it off, get over it, and if
the *nixers bother you that much do not go out of your way to piss them
off. It isn't that hard. Just leave COLA out of your cross-posted
messes. Thank you.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
------------------------------
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:41:46 -0500
abraxas wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As I said, you have to see the history to know
> > how long this has gone on for why I reply as I do. I have more respect for
> > lice than I do those two. I'm sorry if this offends others.
> >
>
> If you were really sorry, youd stop lying.
If he were really sorry he'd stop cross-posting into
comp.os.linux.advocacy at all and leave us *nixers alone.
>
> -----yttrx
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:45:04 -0400
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > Again, you are an old money advocate. You are saying that how well a kid
> does
> > > should be causally related to how much money their parents have. This
> > > is a shining example of your survival-of-the-fattest philosophy.
> >
> > Wrong. "How well a kid does" is determined by how well he applies
> > himself in school.
> >
> Wrong. There's been plenty of studies that show that children from lower
> socio economic areas perform worse academically than those from higher socio
> economic areas.
1. One low-income adults are from the lower-end of the intelligence pool
2. Intelligence is genetically linked. Correlation > 0.5 (where
a correlation of 1.0 is absolute correlation)
Thus, it is no great surprise to find out that the stupid children
of stupid low-income adults do worse academically than the smart
children of smart high-income adults.
> There's a lot of factors that come into it, but it boils
> down to the poorer you are, the worse you will likely perform academically.
The less intelligent you are, the poorer you are.
The less intelligent you are, the less intelligent your kids will be.
There is complete agreement on this matter by all involved in
the field of human intelligence research.
> It's hard to concentrate in school when you're starving from not having
> breakfast or lunch...
We fucking GIVE AWAY BREAKFASTS AND LUNCHES, so this is not a
plausible ***EXCUSE***
> Sure there are exceptions, and it also works the other way - some people
> from high socio economic areas are thick as pigshit.
>
Quite true. And the chance of an idiot being born to high-IQ
parents is much greater than the chance of a genius being born
to low-IQ parents.
> <snip ridiculous, pompous and well overlong sig>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:46:16 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Is it just me, or is Aaron, a confirmed MS hater posting from Windows 98?
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451760.3n78^-.000000000001
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:48:03 -0400
> Here's today's Tholen digest. Note how he still doesn't understand.
[nada]
Thanks for reading!
--
"USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism,soc.singles
Subject: Re: one of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:47:13 -0400
SemiScholar wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:41:08 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Retard wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:34:50 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Retard wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:07:11 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Loren Petrich wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> >> >> Steve Chaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On 1 Aug 2000 06:12:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich) wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >How good does a power mac work with Linux? That processor should be
> >> >> >> >screaming without the limitations of (pick your Apple OS of the day).
> >> >> >> >It sure turns out x86 screams without the limitations of Windows,
> >> >> >> >that's for sure!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It performs excellently under the BeOS, though I haven't tried a
> >> >> >> PowerPC flavor of Linux yet.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Apple is still too slow with MacOS X :-(
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Well, maybe if you got some hardware that wasn't stuck in the 1980's....
> >> >>
> >> >> ROTFL!!! This from a "Unix Systems Engineer"?? Hahhahahahahah!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Unix was a good idea. ... ... in 1969
> >> >>
> >> >> So you think a G4 is a 1980's processor? LOL!!
> >> >
> >> >Unix had windows before Microsoft even wrote MS-DOS.
> >> >
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >
> >It's TRUE, it's TRUE!
>
> Details, details. I was _there_ back then, and I don't remember no
> steenking "windows".
Hiding in the closet doesn't count, asshole.
>
> - SemiScholar
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.gis,comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Is there such a thing as a free lunch?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:45:16 -0500
Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:19:10 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >I find it humorous that even amongst technologically inclined people
> >there is no respect shown to others that are technologically inclined.
> >Wierdos, geeks, nerds, dorks, space-case, freaks, etc.
>
> I'm a geek and proud of it.
I have no problem with that. I, and some others, don't necissarily see
'geek' as a positive and endearing term, but as I said "I find it
humorous...". Also, see my response to Jedi.
Occasionally I find it disturbing, but most of the time I find it funny.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:48:53 -0400
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> > >
> > > Drestin Black wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If Microsoft has such a good platform, then why are the servers
> > > > > > > that come under the heaviest usage Unix machines?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How come no Lose2000 machines?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now that's a compelling argument! Also completely false.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many corporations use WinNT and now Win2000 for their largest,
> most
> > > > > > heaviest tasks.
> > > > >
> > > > > EVERY Fortune 500 company I have worked at keeps their most
> > > > > important databases on AS/400's and Unix machines.
> > > >
> > > > which demonstrates exactly what we've been saying all along. You are
> full of
> > > > it! And, besides, so what if 1 or 2 F500 companies keep "most" of
> their
> > > > "important" databases on AS/400s and Unix machines according to
> ex-employee
> > > > kookis. All the rest run on less expensive, easier to maintain/operate
> and
> > > > more productive Windows/Intel boxes.
> > >
> > > Oh god!
> > >
> > > I get tired of this argument that running on wintel is better than
> > > running on AS/400s (or *nix boxes) because it is "cheaper". By the time
> > > you actually get a wintel box/cluster running at the same performance as
> > > any AS/400 (for similar jobs) you have spent an equal amount of money on
> > > the wintel solution, plus you have the added benefit of always wondering
> > > when some aspect of it will fail and you will be re-installing. I have
> > > yet to see wintel provide a solution as stable as an AS/400, and
> > > stability does count when you are talking 'cost'.
> > >
> > > As far as *nix goes I can usually put together a box/cluster of *nix
> > > boxes for a lot less money than the equivalent with Windows on Intel,
> > > and still end up with more stability and reliability. Once again,
> > > stability does count when you are talking about 'cost'.
> > >
> > > After all, wasn't it Microsoft that started screaming bloody murder
> > > about total-cost-of-ownership when they thought people were starting to
> > > gain interest in other operating systems? I have yet to see proof that
> > > forced upgrades every couple of years and a lot of down time in between
> > > is more cost-efficient than a solid AS/400 or *nix solution with little
> > > to no unscheduled downtime and no forced upgrade cycle.
> > >
> >
> > Quite true. Most the early 1990's Unix machines I come across
> > are running the very latest software releases.
> >
> > Hehj heheh heh
> >
>
> True, but the speed of a Snail! I know my friends Unix box from ~1990 had
> a whopping 1 gig harddrive. They upgraded to NT, since the software
> company making Anvil (I think that the name of the CAD program) was dropping
> Unix and only supporting NT.
For some applications, 50 MHz is more than sufficient.
It all depends on throughput needs.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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